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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #180 on: October 10, 2007, 02:55:50 AM »
Dear  Bones; I can relate. Sometimes you just wish they'd give you some breathing space, huh? Its such a drain thinking of having to have a big confrontation, when all you want is a bit of respect. I think you've handled things so well though; you are an especially aware person!

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« Reply #181 on: October 10, 2007, 01:01:33 PM »
Dear  Bones; I can relate. Sometimes you just wish they'd give you some breathing space, huh? Its such a drain thinking of having to have a big confrontation, when all you want is a bit of respect. I think you've handled things so well though; you are an especially aware person!

Hugs to you,
X Bella

Thanks, Bella!

It's so tiring after attempting to communicate with an oblivious wall for several years.  After what I've been observing with her for the past couple of months, it's put her conflicts with her other family members in a whole new light!  (She attempts to portray herself as the "total innocent".)

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« Reply #182 on: October 11, 2007, 02:17:31 AM »
Another possible characteristic of an N:

If an N can't have what someone else has, the N will attempt to destroy it, (while having the mentality of:  "If I can't have it, then NOBODY can have it!")

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« Reply #183 on: October 12, 2007, 09:54:58 PM »
It appears I'm going to have to end two relationships.  I'm already distancing myself from the Nfriend that I have been discussing in this thread.  Now it looks like I'm going to have to finally take the bull by the horns and give my boyfriend the boot as well.  I started looking at a lot of stuff that has been going on in the past year and kept feeling like something is missing.  Today, I had to drag it out of him that he has finally completed his Ph.D.  (He didn't think it was important enough to tell me even though he claims to love me.)  There's been a pattern of stuff going on for seven years and I think I've finally found the courage to use my voice and speak up to him about what is lacking between us because this "relationship" feels so empty.  I just sent him an e-mail spelling out everything that has been bothering me for a long time.

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« Reply #184 on: October 12, 2007, 11:05:28 PM »
Some of the things I discussed in my e-mail to my boyfriend:

He comes into my home whether or not I am home (to take care of his birds) but I have not been able to set foot in his house for HOW LONG?!?!?!?  (Now what is wrong with that picture?)

Any attempts to talk about anything that is important to us is met with:  "I don't know".

Then there was the issue of his scheduling his dissertation stuff AFTER he had been given EIGHT MONTHS NOTICE about my graduation so that he did not attend or celebrate with me.  The nonverbal message from him seems to say that my achieving a goal is not important enough to him to attend.  (It's bad enough my Nrelatives ignored me whenever I achieved an educational milestone but THIS from someone who professes to "love" me?!?!?!?!?!?)

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« Reply #185 on: October 13, 2007, 05:04:24 PM »
Bonesy-

I am currently divorcing, not anything special and am not well-versed in anything at all...but I  hate to read the hurt in your post, and simply must tell you that you are a unique and wonderful woman, capable of great love and compassion, and somewhere a wonderful man is looking for you. You sometimes "Must let the Demi-Gods depart so that the Gods may come in." I am not judging your BF, only responding to the hurt , longing and discontent that I sense in your feelings- these seem more than reasonable to me, though again, I claim not expertise in these matters. Maybe BF needs a good old fashioned consciousness raising, or you need to make some space for new suitors.

You will stay connected to the BF in the same way unless you make a change- it need not be acrimonious or a complete break- but you may not be receiving the love and respect that you need and deserve, and one can starve that way- this I do know by experience. Perhaps a simple act like changing your locks would spark a needed discussion leading to new clarity. If BF comes and goes at will, new admirers are not truly welcome there. If BF wants exclusivity, then there may well should be reciprocity as well (of course this is your choice- I am only throwing out some ideas)- and you should have a key to his home ASAP, as well as a key to his heart- access to his feelings and important events that a loved trusted one would know about.

You are a special, loving, and accomplished woman who deserves the love and companionship of a man who appreciates and adores you, and is dying to share his life and his self with you. You are the one to choose who he will be.

This can be scary stuff, I know. But your inner life and love deserves to be cherished and protected.

I know that you are starting a new job, so this may not be the time to violently change your private life as well- but it might be the perfect time, with plenty of distractions softening the ache of changes. Only you would know what is best for you. At any rate, you can begin to create the life you want for yourself, and stop draining your inner feeling and giving so much of yourself without getting what you need in return. This is not selfish or calculated- this is how love works, lovers delight in giving and receiving.

Please don't be perplexed or angry with me- I am not trying to tell you what to do so much as trying show you another side, another vantage point, where you can see the picture differently, and have an opportunity to see your options differently as well. I am responding from the heart, and may seem pushy, etc, but I can't help but feel that you deserve to have the happiness that you want. Life is so short.

Love and Peace,

Changing
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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #186 on: October 13, 2007, 05:14:13 PM »
Dear Bones,
  What hit me was that once you faced the "truth" about your friend,maybe you started facing the "truth" about your bf.
  To me, if I cared for him and wanted a relationship with him, I would 'demand" more respect. Then,It will either get better or break up.
  I learned a very,very important lesson with Maria. In ANY relationship,our own integrity comes first.
   I think that we have to be WILLING to lose anyone in order to HAVE quality relationships. That is my lesson for today.(I have to start learning lessons fast since I had my head up my A##  for so long)                  Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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« Reply #187 on: October 14, 2007, 10:36:39 AM »
Bonesy-

I am currently divorcing, not anything special and am not well-versed in anything at all...but I  hate to read the hurt in your post, and simply must tell you that you are a unique and wonderful woman, capable of great love and compassion, and somewhere a wonderful man is looking for you. You sometimes "Must let the Demi-Gods depart so that the Gods may come in." I am not judging your BF, only responding to the hurt , longing and discontent that I sense in your feelings- these seem more than reasonable to me, though again, I claim not expertise in these matters. Maybe BF needs a good old fashioned consciousness raising, or you need to make some space for new suitors.

You will stay connected to the BF in the same way unless you make a change- it need not be acrimonious or a complete break- but you may not be receiving the love and respect that you need and deserve, and one can starve that way- this I do know by experience. Perhaps a simple act like changing your locks would spark a needed discussion leading to new clarity. If BF comes and goes at will, new admirers are not truly welcome there. If BF wants exclusivity, then there may well should be reciprocity as well (of course this is your choice- I am only throwing out some ideas)- and you should have a key to his home ASAP, as well as a key to his heart- access to his feelings and important events that a loved trusted one would know about.

You are a special, loving, and accomplished woman who deserves the love and companionship of a man who appreciates and adores you, and is dying to share his life and his self with you. You are the one to choose who he will be.

This can be scary stuff, I know. But your inner life and love deserves to be cherished and protected.

I know that you are starting a new job, so this may not be the time to violently change your private life as well- but it might be the perfect time, with plenty of distractions softening the ache of changes. Only you would know what is best for you. At any rate, you can begin to create the life you want for yourself, and stop draining your inner feeling and giving so much of yourself without getting what you need in return. This is not selfish or calculated- this is how love works, lovers delight in giving and receiving.

Please don't be perplexed or angry with me- I am not trying to tell you what to do so much as trying show you another side, another vantage point, where you can see the picture differently, and have an opportunity to see your options differently as well. I am responding from the heart, and may seem pushy, etc, but I can't help but feel that you deserve to have the happiness that you want. Life is so short.

Love and Peace,

Changing

Thanks, Changng.

This is stuff I need to hear.  It was a painful realization on Friday when it finally sunk in that I am "worth less" than his time.  So much for "love".

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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #188 on: October 14, 2007, 10:42:13 AM »
Dear Bones,
  What hit me was that once you faced the "truth" about your friend,maybe you started facing the "truth" about your bf.
  To me, if I cared for him and wanted a relationship with him, I would 'demand" more respect. Then,It will either get better or break up.
  I learned a very,very important lesson with Maria. In ANY relationship,our own integrity comes first.
   I think that we have to be WILLING to lose anyone in order to HAVE quality relationships. That is my lesson for today.(I have to start learning lessons fast since I had my head up my A##  for so long)                  Love   Ami

Thanks, Ami.

That feels right.  Given that both of these relationships date back to our childhoods, it's taking a bit of an emotional toll.  I can't help but wonder if he's acting like his Nfather (the role model he had growing up) and/or he wants me to be his substitute "mother" since his Nfather prevented him from ever developing a relationship with his mother and stepmothers.  I don't think he knows what he wants and I've already told him that I CANNOT BE his mother!  Also, if he's "playing both sides of the street", I'm not sticking around for THAT!

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« Reply #189 on: October 14, 2007, 11:16:04 AM »
Dear Bones,
  My "advice" would be to "feel" out what is happening rather than talk about it. This is my current lesson in life , anyway.
  I am realizing that someone can "tell" you something and not be telling you the truth(either knowingly or unknowingly) . However, your gut feelings will lead you right more times than not.
  As my former cop b/c used to say,"I will trust my feelings.If I am wrong,I am wrong. However,it is my MOST reliable guide."He escaped danger and death many times ,so he should know--lol       Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #190 on: October 15, 2007, 01:30:26 AM »
Dear Bones,
  My "advice" would be to "feel" out what is happening rather than talk about it. This is my current lesson in life , anyway.
  I am realizing that someone can "tell" you something and not be telling you the truth(either knowingly or unknowingly) . However, your gut feelings will lead you right more times than not.
  As my former cop b/c used to say,"I will trust my feelings.If I am wrong,I am wrong. However,it is my MOST reliable guide."He escaped danger and death many times ,so he should know--lol       Love   Ami

Thanks, Ami.

He's trying to make amends after he read my e-mails.  He stopped by my job today, bringing me a can of green tea with peach.  I'll be watching one day at a time.

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« Reply #191 on: October 16, 2007, 12:30:10 PM »
I think he's still trying.  He called me from his office to try to figure out why I am unable to reach his extension when I dial his office number.  He soon realized that, apparently, his extension can no longer be reached directly by an outside number.  (His employer recently changed their phone system.)  He's going to check further and let me know what he finds.  (That's a start.)

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« Reply #192 on: October 16, 2007, 12:35:45 PM »
Dear Bones,
   My thought (inside) would be ,"I am special. If a person wants a relationship with me that have to act in certain ways that I value(respect,honesty, consideration etc). If they don't want(or can't) do it, then they are gone".Who said the profound words,"Prick me, I am done,?"
  I got to this place with my M( who is EXACTLY like your friend). I am DONE             Ami


PS---- You are right to be in" Waiting "mode for right now, Bones,(IMO)
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #193 on: October 17, 2007, 12:58:13 PM »
Dear Bones,
   My thought (inside) would be ,"I am special. If a person wants a relationship with me that have to act in certain ways that I value(respect,honesty, consideration etc). If they don't want(or can't) do it, then they are gone".Who said the profound words,"Prick me, I am done,?"
  I got to this place with my M( who is EXACTLY like your friend). I am DONE             Ami


PS---- You are right to be in" Waiting "mode for right now, Bones,(IMO)


Thanks, Ami.

Also, the Nfriend that's been acting the doofus sends me another e-mail today asking me if I want to buy a used car from her other friend (who happens to be a FLAMING N!)  I have not responded to that e-mail.  I don't want to waste the energy to type on the keyboard to her "H@#$ NO!!!!!!"

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« Reply #194 on: October 17, 2007, 01:22:05 PM »
It took you long enough(lol).but you learned, Right Bones?                              Love    Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung