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pennyplant

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Re: Giving Away My Power
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2007, 01:33:25 PM »
CH/Beth--gotta go to work.  I'll be back later tonight.

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Re: Giving Away My Power
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2007, 01:44:15 PM »
PP,

Have a wonderful rest of the day... I hope it goes smooth.

See you later.

Love,
Carolyn

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Re: Giving Away My Power
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2007, 03:59:44 PM »
Hey Penny,

As I read your original post I kept thinking of Proverbs 4:23: "Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life." Another translation says "Guard your heart more than anything else, because the source of your life flows from it."

I think giving away our power is just another way of saying we haven't guarded our heart from those who seek to take, either intentionally or incidentally, the life (or power) that is in it.

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Re: Giving Away My Power
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2007, 06:37:51 PM »
Good Lord... in a warped way I was still looking for someone else to confirm that I'm real... as though it wasn't good enough for me to know that within myself. I had no idea.

Carolyn, I'm thinking that rather than it not being good enough to know our worth ourselves--we didn't know our worth or our realness at all.  I have always been searching for my worth outside of myself.  I didn't know this was completely incorrect.  I think my parents didn't know this was incorrect.

That is probably why it has been so devastating to be ignored when you have poured your heart out. 

I know for sure I have not always, at all times, been that dependent on the responses of others to give me my value.  But it has been my default mode.  During troubling times, that is where I have ended up.  Desperately needy of external approval.

It is so helpful now to be able to dissect it.

PP
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Re: Giving Away My Power
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2007, 06:43:45 PM »
That hyper-alertness to what others want is so stubborn... even the generic worry gives way before that, in me... because I can see that as wrong and repent of it. The other... often masquerades as right.

Also, Carolyn, this belief has kept me trapped in subservience.  Why would I think, though, that what others want is more important than what I want?  This is just incorrect too.  But I was taught that from a very young age.  That wrong belief might die pretty quickly.  Now that I am starting to care about me, it will not be so easy to have this blanket belief that everything that everybody else wants is something I need to provide in some manner.  If I am a good person too, a real person too, then it is just not going to be going in one direction all the time.  It can't.

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Re: Giving Away My Power
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2007, 07:02:33 PM »
PP!!!!!!!!!
How cool is that????? You learned a huge lesson. I would say, though, that it wasn;'t as huge as it must have felt to you - the being "caught." Look at it this way. If an old flame of, say, your brother, looked him up and you saw that the person had done so, would you being overly excited about it????? Not really, probably. We all look into our past... I'll tell you a funny story at the end about what I found...
You do give away your power - in not being confident. I believe that those people who want "dominance" look for any sign of weakness in another. Being ashamed or fearful, those things draw these beasts.
I see you as smart, funny and charming. If you portray what you ARE, they will not look for the break in the armor.

Sooooo... When I got pregnant with my first baby, I had a weird desire to look up the guy I almost married. We had been together for six years. I found him on the internet... he had married a girl from high school and had taken her name as his middle name, which he uses for professioanl purposes. He was always like that - he wanted to be dominated in a strange way and "claimed" by his woman. The guise was that of a "sensitive" male. (Anyone ever see the movie Bedazzled where Brandon Frazer is the Sensitive Man?)


Oh Beth, it is very cool!!!

I have calmed down considerably since Sunday.  I was thinking today, his little sister probably read my answer to her questions and thought, well, that's weird, and then went on with her day.  Life goes on.  She is someone with voice, that much I learned from reading her online stuff.  So, I don't imagine this was more than a blip to her.  I was projecting......

Though I would not be too worried if someone looked me up.  In fact, I have run into people from the past every so often, and it seems like they are checking me out.  It has felt nice each time to think, oh, so all those years I thought nobody liked me, somebody really did.

The "rock star", though,  that was something else.  That one will require some more thought.  I do not want to run into him.  That one is still in the painful place.  And he was angry with me, I believe.  So, I doubt that he would like to run into me, either.

The not being confident.  Yes, you are right.  That is a big problem.  That was something I learned about thanks to the episode with the "rock star."  During the six months I knew him, I gradually sensed that I was "changing" inside.  I told my husband afterwards, once I felt it all drain out of me, that it was the only time in my life that I felt happiness all the time, the only time that I felt beautiful, self-confident and happy all at once and all the time.  I believed I could do anything.  That feeling lasted for approximately four months.  It began to end the day he left.  I still don't understand it.  My husband knew what I was talking about because he had noticed a huge change in me during that time.  I don't know if it was some kind of addiction.  I don't know if it was that he somehow brought out the best in me like a best friend would do.  Maybe I was confused and it had nothing to do with him and was just a coincidence.  I would try to console myself--well, at least I know what it feels like and I will recognize it if it ever happens again.  It wasn't much consolation, though.  Maybe I have made too much of something that was just hormones.  I would like to understand it thoroughly though.

I would like to have that confidence back.  I want to like myself again.  I felt no shame during that time.  I felt like I belonged everywhere.

I got a kick out of your story about the old boyfriend.  I tend not to trust a guy who is too female-oriented like that.  I don't know why.  I just think to myself, THAT is not normal.  How about just being a guy!!!  Man, he is trying too hard!!

Love, PP

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Re: Giving Away My Power
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2007, 07:09:47 PM »
It makes me feel somewhat ashamed that I never learned that I could have my own power, and that I was always (for the most part) waiting to have people make up my mind for me. I expect that  this is something that helped screw up my life, as I was 'living everybody else's life'

Yeah, Izzy, this has been a problem for me too.  Nobody really knows what is best for me even if they think they do.  But I never knew what was best for me.  I never learned how to discover that, or if I thought I knew, then I had NO IDEA how to implement it.  And I didn't think I was worth it anyway.  And in spite of the do-it-yourself-great-American spirit (do Canadians suffer from that delusion too?), you do need a helping hand once in awhile or an open door.  I wouldn't ask, not in a way that made anyone else think that what I needed was any kind of priority.

What a bad effect that has on how your life turns out.  I'm not blaming others for treating me the way I kind of taught them to treat me.  And I didn't know any better either.  But boy, I sure paid a price.  I do wonder if I will manage to reach any of my potential.  The thing is, if I don't take this time to work on these things then I'm guaranteed not meet my potential.  So, this healing thing is a must.

You're healing too, Izzy.  Who knows what you still have in you?  It will be a surprise!!!

Love, PP
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Re: Giving Away My Power
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2007, 07:14:49 PM »
Proverbs 4:23: "Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life." Another translation says "Guard your heart more than anything else, because the source of your life flows from it."

Thank you, Mud.  I will be able to guard my heart now because I am finally learning how to.  I am finally understanding I am worth it. 

PP
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Re: Giving Away My Power
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2007, 07:17:08 PM »
Penny and Shunned,

My mind is flowing with ideas right now.  Really loving this conversation Penny.  Thank you for letting me peek in.  Really starting to understand how often I give my power away.  I thought I was asking for love or for my needs to be met.  Now I realize that I can meet my needs maybe better than anyone else could.  That is an exhilarating thought!  How wonderful to understand finally!  Kinda like Dorothy in the Wiz of OZ.  She had the shoes the whole time!!  But how hard it is to retrain my brain to think and believe and embrace my power.

Poppy

ps.  thanks for the ideas on Native American Medicine.  I am so fascinated with that stuff.  Guess I am a closet Native American wannabe! :D

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Re: Giving Away My Power
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2007, 07:19:18 PM »
I am trying to see why I let people control my emotions. Their actions quite often make me angry or frustrated - or trigger my shame response.

Shunned, I have struggled with this all my life.  It has been a mighty struggle.  It wore me out.  I did not think of the relationship to shame.  I think that makes it even harder.

What I am finding lately, is that as I slowly heal, I am less keyed into other people and less triggered by them.  It seems almost like a by-product of healing.  I am not all the way there by any means.  But am doing better and better with it.

See if that might happen with you.  Hopefully it does.  Then it won't be such a struggle.

Love, PP
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Re: Giving Away My Power
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2007, 08:08:11 PM »
Poppy, I'm glad you chimed in.  I bet you would enjoy reading the Native American stories.  They are very soothing and address all issues in life.  Several years ago, a friend of  mind who is a Seneca and spent her life on the reservation, taught me how to make cornhusk dolls since she knew I had always wanted to learn how.  The funny thing to me is that she never knew how to make them either!  She finally learned how when she went to college in her 60s and took a Native American Studies class! 

Maybe Native American subjects resonate because as a people their voice was taken from them and it is only in recent history that they have worked to get it back.  Maybe that is part of why Holocaust studies has also resonated with me.  I have also taken an  African American Studies class.  That one was harder to be in as a white person.  I felt like I should just listen.

And the Wizard of Oz!  One of my favorite movies.  We can take our lessons from so many sources.

Love, PP
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Re: Giving Away My Power
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2007, 08:11:46 PM »
There has been so much to think about today as a result of my weekend and what you all have contributed with your comments and stories and questions.  I am so grateful for every lesson.  I feel like I have some real tools to work with now.  I'm not just stumbling around in the dark.  Or trying to force myself to do things that I don't understand or have the ability to accomplish.  It gives me some hope and something to look forward to.

There is still much work to do.  But, wow, what a gift this has been!

Love, Pennyplant
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« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2007, 10:13:56 PM »
Dear Pennyplant,

Thanks for describing the whole mental process you went through with that situation; I learned a lot from it and  think you should be so proud of yourself for the way you handled things.

As for her reaction; please try not to personalize it. She might have got the `vibe' from your response that her contact with you caused discomfort or was not welcome? Or she could be very busy? In any case, her response does not indicate your worth and value as a person, hon.

X bella

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Re: Giving Away My Power
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2007, 10:35:10 PM »
Dear Penny,
   This is a wonderful thread. I am learning so much.                       Love  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Giving Away My Power
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2007, 10:39:03 PM »
(((((((Pennyplant))))))

Just caught up on my reading here and I want to thank you for your comments to me and all you've added to the thread, as well.

It's very difficult for me to admit that it hurts to be ignored. How silly... of course it hurts - especially when you're trying so very hard to please.
And there's the vicious circle. So much shame... because that old inner critic insists that it's foolish to ever expect that anything I could pour out would be more than a drop in a very large bucket. But maybe we're not the drips at all. Maybe we're the buckets!

I will be thinking and read again tomorrow. Just wanted to say thanks in case you're off to work again before I get back to the board... and send you hugs and love,

Carolyn