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Re: Snap shot of an N mom
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2007, 12:46:54 PM »
Hi Everyone,

Such compassion, understanding and encouragement from all these posts has touched me and helped in ways I'm not sure how to express other than to say thank you.

After I wrote my post on Saturday night and read Ami's response I was able to cry and release some old pain. Afterwards I felt better so I decided to take a break from my pain, get a way from the computer and watch a movie.  I had 4 netflix's, I grabbed one movie, not knowing what it was and put it in the DVD. It was The Last King of Scotland about Amin, the ruthless dictator of Uganda in the 70's. He and his regime were evil at it's height. Towards the end of the movie, after he had been betrayed, he was about to take sadistic revenge, the betrayer called Amin "a child." He was a toxic ruler and his rage at the betrayal of his parents had morphed him into a hatred filled violent man. 

On Sunday I wanted to unplug completely and nurture myself.  I spent the day knitting, reading and resting. I'm glad that I did, despite my hurt and anger this morning, I feel more grounded and hopeful today yet this morning I can feel the anger in my heart at the years my mom's betrayal. I just sit with the anger and pain and imagine a little girl who is really angry ands kicking and screaming or a teenager who is frustrated and embarrassed residing in me. I let myself be - but I do have the voices telling me that I am not very Christian like to feel so much anger.

When I got to work today I opened the office fridge and noticed that someone had ate all of my pudding cups over the weekend. I wanted to scream...over pudding cups!   -- I had to laugh!

To Leah - Yes, I read A Boy Named It - What a story huh? Thank you for your warm and insightful post. You are a gentle person. I like that you don't label people, that is spiritual and loving to me and it is causing me to reflect.

There were a lot of questions as I read through all the posts and I hope that I can answer some.

The eventual outcome of all of this is a long story which I can or might tell later. Here are a few details: my girlfriend, Mary, found out on Monday when I returned to school what had happened. That was the last straw for her and her family who had become quite protective of me (how blessed I was). Her father was a police officer, I don't know what strings were pulled or what happened behind the scenes but eventually, after several months, I was placed in the county dependent unit and became a ward of the state moving in with a foster mom who was a loving and kind ex-nun. Over a period of 10 years she had over 250 teenage girls come through her home (another blessing in my life). We are still close.

A few weeks after the juvenile hall episode, my mom, in Hyde mode, drove me to a mental hospital and tried to have me committed. She left me there against the hospitals request that she not. Then, she, in Jekyll mode, came to pick me up and acted as if nothing happened.

My father was struggling, he was not against me, he wanted to help me and the family but he was confused and frightened. My mom was so abusive to him and he was pretty beaten down by the time that I was a teenager.

Thank you all for your posts.

Lise


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Re: Snap shot of an N mom
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2007, 12:54:48 PM »
Hi Lise,

Truly lovely to hear from you.

Just a quick message to say;

The Last King of Scotland about Amin, the ruthless dictator of Uganda in the 70's.

Watched the movie on DVD last month, with immense interest, and so agree with your synopsis.

For what you have been through, my heart sincerely cries out for you ((( Lise )))

Will be back later, and will post again.

Love, Leah
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Re: Snap shot of an N mom
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2007, 03:16:36 PM »
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Lise:  but I do have the voices telling me that I am not very Christian like to feel so much anger.


Actually, the Bible says "be angry and sin not."  Nowhere does God tell us in His Word that we are not allowed to FEEL our feelings...He even felt feelings.  You go ahead and feel angry and then give it over to God to deal with it as only He knows how to.

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Re: Snap shot of an N mom
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2007, 03:47:03 PM »
Thanks Laura,


I think of the Saints like St Francis and I think of how peaceful, gentle and accepting they were. I guess they did not have N moms.

Lise

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Re: Snap shot of an N mom
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2007, 03:54:34 PM »
I realize HOW much guilt I have put on myself for not "following" the Bible 'right ,over the years.. Actually,I took untold abuse b/c I misinterpreted the Bible.I was very,very wrong. I misunderstood God. He loves me. He doesn't want anyone to abuse me or hurt me(or you)
  Now, I am feeling angry when I SHOULD  like when an N mother tries to take away my reality . Lise, for what your M did to you,you have "righteous anger". There is nothing wrong with all the emotions that you feel.
  If you don't face them ,you will "perfume over a swamp--"IMO. The Bible tells us how to get out of bondage---You shall know the truth and the truth will make you free. Everything about God is truth---- not lies.
  You will find your way.I can already see that you have made progress. Do you feel it?    Love   Ami

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Re: Snap shot of an N mom
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2007, 05:09:53 PM »

Dear Lise,

Feeling angry, or annoyed,

is so very different

to acting out with anger against someone, with rage and fury.

That's the difference.

It's what you do with your feelings that matters most, especially to God, as is your concern.

Hope that helps.

Love, Leah
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Re: Snap shot of an N mom
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2007, 05:15:51 PM »
Lise your story is heart wrenching and the insight into your mom through her actions - hideous.  I can see so clearly in my mind's eye that betrayed girl who you were.  To not even stop at the first outrage of juvenile but to proceed to try to have you committed, and she would have if she could have - clearly - is so horrifying.  It's really chilling how shamelessly she picked you up and drove you home as if... it was no big deal.  It's so sick.  It's sick, but not in a way that I'm inclined to excuse her from her responsibility.

This book is mentioned with some frequency on the board and you may have already discussed this (I am not keeping up with posts too well, at the moment), but have you read People of the Lie by M. Scott Peck?

Also, I smoked too and it seems that it served a similar function in my life as in your life and some other posters here.  Quitting was part of a whole larger pattern of change in my life and came - as I became more ready to begin to face the other aspects - it all connects.  I know so well the problem about personalizing shame and inward critical voices.  I'm working on that too.

It is so heartening that you had a true and steadfast friend and her family that came through for you.  They really saved you.  And having a foster mother who was good to you also.  I am sure you made the most of these experiences and it gladdens my heart that people were there for you and you found refuge.

Take good care of yourself.
Character, which has nothing to do with intellect or skill, can evolve only by increasing our capacity to love, and to become lovable. - Joan Grant

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Re: Snap shot of an N mom
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2007, 06:21:35 PM »
Dear Lise,
  It hit me ,of course ,you would be afraid of any feelings. You had "normal" self protection and you ended up in Juvenile Hall and then a mental institution b/c of it.
  It is amazing how clear headed you are after all that.She did not break you ,completely.
  I get so angry at my M that ( and  this is horrible) that I  am happy thinking of her in Hell .I know that this is wrong  ,but it helps me to think that God will really take care of it ,someday. He will avenge me much better than I could.
   I try to forgive. Sometimes, I do.. Sometimes, I don't.                      Love to you   Ami


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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2007, 06:38:19 PM »
Hi Ami,

I'm beginning to feel that forgiveness is something to work for that takes more time for us with deeper anger and hurt. My hurt at the present situation can easily get confused with the old hurt of the past making me seem to myself that I am not a forgiving person. It is what everyone on this thread has validated for me that my anger is OK. I'm OK. My mom was not OK. What she did was not OK. It amazes me too that I have been able to come through such trauma in my life and still function on fairly normal levels.

As I look back on my life and I encourage you to do this is you have not already, I see God's hand carrying me. What a difference it makes to see this. He was truly grieved for my pain and losses. It was like He stopped me before I fell and I will never know what I could have fallen into had He not been there.

It is like the poem "footprints" when we look back and see only one set of footprints in the sand and God says that was when I was carrying you. As I look back in my life I can only see one set of footprints because I think that God has been carrying me since the day I was born and he has never put me down. I have to think it is like that for most of us with a N parent.

Lise

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Re: Snap shot of an N mom
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2007, 07:08:39 PM »
((((((((((((Oh,Lise)))))))))))))))
I think the only reason my mother never thought of doing something like that is that it would have looked bad about our "family." Your mother was smart and cruel and knew just how to "get you." I also never suffered from physical abuse and my mother's tricks were a bit more closeted than yours. I am glad you are here. Please share your stories... it will help you to exorcise them.
Love, Beth

Thank you gratitude28 for your kind words and insight. I am glad that we are both here too. This board is another blessing. If I was not reading posts or had a daily outlet to express I might end up shutting down again or I might not be processing through as quickly as this board provides the means to.

Thank you for your encouragement!


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Re: Snap shot of an N mom
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2007, 07:20:32 PM »

As I look back on my life and I encourage you to do this is you have not already, I see God's hand carrying me. What a difference it makes to see this. He was truly grieved for my pain and losses. It was like He stopped me before I fell and I will never know what I could have fallen into had He not been there.

It is like the poem "footprints" when we look back and see only one set of footprints in the sand and God says that was when I was carrying you. As I look back in my life I can only see one set of footprints because I think that God has been carrying me since the day I was born and he has never put me down. I have to think it is like that for most of us with a N parent


Beautifully Said,Lise                      Love    Ami

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Re: Snap shot of an N mom
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2007, 07:21:15 PM »
---Lise. You really did have deep,deep betrayal. I have been avoiding doing the the inner child exercises b/c they "hurt",but as you said, then you feel "cleaner' and 'lighter'

Ami,

In one of your earlier posts you wrote the above. Never before this period of time in my life have I ever been so in touch with the outrage and hurt at the betrayal by those, my parents, that were supposed to love me the most.

My body has had a perpetual burning ache to it for months now...it is the strangest thing though, I don't mind the burning sensation because it feels like something is being purged out of me.

The tears and deep sobs have been coming in waves for months now. God is doing some intense healing. I suspect He is doing this for you too.

Yesterday was the first day in months that I felt a strong wave of peace and clarity, I found myself saying under my breath, "wow, I feel like a new person today." There is so much more to come though and so much more healing to work through, but those pockets of peace give me hope to continue.

Malachi 3:3
And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

Daniel 12:10 "Many will be purged, purified and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand. (NASB ©1995)

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Re: Snap shot of an N mom
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2007, 08:11:45 PM »
Dear Lise,
  A long time ago, I was sitting on the sofa with my son( 2 yrs old). I was abandoned by my M. I had a bad H. It was raining out. A voice came deep inside me,"I will restore what the locusts(evil) had eaten."
 I have heard this voice on other occasions.
 Once, I was going to light a candle. A voice came to me,"Don't light that candle, you have gas." I stopped. Fifteen minutes later,lighting hit my yard and followed an  underground electrical wire in to the house.
 So, when I hear it,I know that it is Supernatural.
  Many times, I have impressions .If they are strong ones, they are  right.
  When I heard the voice about restoring what the locusts had eaten,I took it to mean that God would restore all that my M had stolen from me:my core, my health,my spirit, confidence   etc.
  So,He promised me this. When I took the Scripture,You shall know the truth and the truth will make you free.",it worked b/c I have seen the truth about my M which eluded me up until this point.
Now, I am taking "Perfect Love Casts out Fear." b/c I really, really need this one-.    Love   Ami

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Re: Snap shot of an N mom
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2007, 09:45:32 PM »
I agree with all this.  Just recently I have found comfort that my moms time would pass soon and I would somehow rise victoriously out of the ashes!  I watch her slowly slide down that slippery slope and then she does something that surprises me.  Like today she was on the radio promoting our store and she was great.  I knew she had rehearsed everything she said so she had it down.  But I guess I should not be surprised-she digs being in the limelight.  But we WILL be vindicated-oh yes we will!
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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2007, 10:05:33 PM »
Lise.

She was a very very sick woman.

I am so sorry for that terrible terrible moment and all that followed.

It is a crushing story.

(And you are not crushed. I know that.)

Are you alone a lot, now? I think you need warm loving hugs from a community that adores you.

Here's one.....(((((((Lise)))))))

Hops


Hops,

Thank you so much for this!

((((((((((((HOPS)))))))))))

Lise