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Re: Pregnant N sent me away
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2008, 05:44:20 PM »
FYI -- Hardtotrust,

I have not forgotten about your thread as I am still reading and working on my response to you.

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Re: Pregnant N sent me away
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2008, 06:19:13 PM »
Thank you, Lise.

I am feeling somewhat disoriented today, it's good to know there's someone trying to help.

I am looking forward to your response.

Hugs.

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Re: Pregnant N sent me away
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2008, 07:11:38 PM »
When she received that call, I got sickened by her behavior. After she hang up, she said, with some pleasure “Wow, it's the third that has called me”. I told her “Listen, we may get married because of the child, but we won’t live together, because I won’t be able to watch things like this happening everyday.


Could this statement from you to her "won't live together" have been a red flag for her that you were on to her?

N's love to be admired, adored, valued etc.. your seeing under her wool so to speak was like putting a pin in the N supply balloon for her.

The following day I phoned her and told her “My baby isn’t going to grow up in a promiscuous environment. Answer: “Don’t try to take her away from me. Listen, the moment I choose I can take it off and get another one”.

Once again you were setting limits, very reasonable limits and expectations for a normal relationship with a normal person but the problem is that she is NOT normal and getting your normal brain around that fact can be really difficult especially when you have feelings for the person.

What has to be even more painful for you is the baby, not knowing, or knowing...it has to be just down right frustrating at times and anguishing.


So the baby's due date is August? I'm still unclear.

It sounds to me like you are moving on from her and have been moving on from her for quite a while? Your just in need of talking about this because that is what N's leave you with, a mess of emotions and confusion and pain to sort out. Also, not to mention the possibility of your baby, the desire to take responsibility for your baby and the not know about.

Please keep us posted. I'll be following as best I can.

Lise
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Re: Pregnant N sent me away
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2008, 12:09:35 PM »
Could this statement from you to her "won't live together" have been a red flag for her that you were on to her?

N's love to be admired, adored, valued etc.. your seeing under her wool so to speak was like putting a pin in the N supply balloon for her.

Sure. I agree. From that point on, everything changed.

It was the first time I didn't accept her excuses and I didn't ask for something (not that asking for something was OK, it never produced any result, the few times I did it).

This time I made a decision.

A few days later, when I told her I wanted to cancel the legal marriage (there would still be the religious/social ceremony) due to her contacts, it must have been too much. She is the kind of N that all things must be 100% (at least) her way. Even the therapist we were seeing (the one that helped her a lot with her plans) in the end acknowledged that in order to make the relationship work I would have to give in, give in, give in, give in... expecting nothing in return.

So, the first plausible explanation for sending me away would be that, knowing how much I was submissive before, and now, having my baby, that I was crazy for, she certainly thought I would come crawling back, even more submissive, no questions asked.


But nobody, even another therapist that classifies her problems as Narcissism and Perversion (in the Freudian sense), thinks this possibility could explain her present behavior. They say that she would be using the pregnancy to manipulate me completely (and that would work, I have to admit).

So now almost everyone thinks she is not sure which guy is the father, and after I didn't buy into the hurried marriage (= woke up = saw under her wool), she talked to her mother and they decided to keep a low profile and avoid conversations till everything clears up. In the meantime, it is possible that she went after the other guy and he just brushed her off. But, in my opinion she is strangely quiet, she wouldn't act like this if she were alone, she can't stand it.

But these are nothing but possibilities, it could be even possible that she really is sure that I am the father, there's no other guy and it is just one of her crazy behaviors, who knows.

What has to be even more painful for you is the baby, not knowing, or knowing...it has to be just down right frustrating at times and anguishing.
So the baby's due date is August? I'm still unclear.

Exactly. Some days I am sure I am the father. Other days I am sure I am not. Sometimes I remember things that happened (including some good) and it is despairing. It is still very harrowing to see pregnant women and babies.

Yes, the date is August, 5th. But I think it will happen before (she is small, first pregnancy, she was born prematurely).

It sounds to me like you are moving on from her and have been moving on from her for quite a while? Your just in need of talking about this because that is what N's leave you with, a mess of emotions and confusion and pain to sort out. Also, not to mention the possibility of your baby, the desire to take responsibility for your baby and the not know about.

Yes, I have been moving on from her and it has not been easy, although her distance is helping me. If she had called me and told me that she really wanted to talk, I wouldn't be able to say no.

Thank you, Lise
« Last Edit: February 21, 2008, 01:10:56 PM by hardtotrust »

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Re: Pregnant N sent me away
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2008, 07:26:48 PM »


Right now, I wish so much it's my baby...  I would love to hold the little one in my arms and say how much I love her/him...



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Re: Pregnant N sent me away
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2008, 08:53:09 PM »
Oh Hardtotrust
  You sound like a sweet, sensitive man. I hate to see you hurting.My intuition is that it IS your baby, hardtotrust. It is beautiful how you seem to love the baby ,already.I really hope that you are the dad.                              Love to you, Ami
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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2008, 03:22:55 PM »

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Ami. I got very involved with the idea of the baby. Every day I would spend a few hours researching about everything related to pregnancy. Every night we were together, I would sleep hugging her and placing my hand on her belly, thinking about the baby.

It's not easy to let it go, besides the usual problems of being abandoned by the N.

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Re: Pregnant N sent me away
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2008, 11:10:55 AM »

Yesterday she sent me two e-mails, just forwarding something about animal rights, inviting me to sign a petition, not a personal word.

Just checking?


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Re: Pregnant N sent me away
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2008, 01:20:52 PM »
She was probably bored and looking for a little drama when she e mailed you.

Maybe you're on her auto mailing list?

Sorry you're in so much pain.

Hops gave some very good advice. 

DNA test as soon as possible so you can make approrpriate decisions and quickly.

Good luck

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Re: Pregnant N sent me away
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2008, 09:31:49 PM »
Hi Lighter!

It is quite possible she was bored.

No, it was not an auto mailing list, it was a personal e-mail, she is used to send small notes to every one (especially guys) every other day, that she calls "courtesies".

Thank you for your empathy!

Sure, DNA is number one on the list. She said she will do it right after the birth. Translation: FORGET IT!!! If necessary, I will take legal measures.

I answered her e-mail by SMS (I don't want to use her e-mail anymore, actually it is a joint e-mail account, hers and her brother's...)

I asked her if she was going to take a course for pregnant women. She liked the idea and signed in. But today my worst fear happened. She asked me if I wanted to take the course too.

Sure I wanted to. But if I get involved now, I won't be able to get out later. And if the baby isn't mine, it will be too late... (I have heard some stories about that). Also, it is in my best interest to stay away from her. As she herself said, my relationship with the baby has nothing to do with the relationship with her, so I guess I'll just wait. She sent me another SMS a few minutes ago, thanking for the suggestion.

Yesterday a friend's daughter was born. A knot in my stomach as I was shopping for a small dress, as I listened to the stories of the delivery and so on...

Wow, and today I saw a young mother with a "kangaroo", carrying a baby! Cool! Had to ask her about it. If the baby is mine, it is in the shopping list.

Hugs.

« Last Edit: February 27, 2008, 09:36:46 PM by hardtotrust »

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Re: Pregnant N sent me away
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2008, 09:45:11 PM »
Oh Hardto trust,
  It is so sweet to see a man so excited about a baby. It warms my heart!                        Love to you,   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: Pregnant N sent me away
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2008, 07:09:01 AM »
Ummmm..... I used to collect baby clothes as a sort of hobby. 

Can't explain it but it was satisfying and I gave myself permission to do it, without judgment long before I ever consideredhaving children.

Believe me...... it'll easier and cheaper so stick with that until you get the results of that DNA test.

Give yourself permission to be the best father you possibly can be.....

after the DNA test.
K?

If you can avoid turmoil, heartbreak and craziness.....

I think you should.

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Re: Pregnant N sent me away
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2008, 09:39:56 AM »
Just thinking of you, Hardtotrust.Sending you peace and well wishes.                                Warmly,    Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Pregnant N sent me away
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2008, 10:25:49 AM »
Right now, really sad. :(

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Re: Pregnant N sent me away
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2008, 01:42:19 PM »
I'm so sorry there's sadness for you now.

But that's to be expected.

You're dealing with the demise of a relationship, ( or rater, an idea of a relationship) and the possible demise of a parental relationship (you've already embraced and fallen in love with.

It's a terrible thing to realize that your reality isn't anything like you wanted it to be.

You question yourself and ability to make decisions..... care for yourself in the future..... make better choices.

Be sad. 

Cry. 

Scream and rage.... complain here. 

Then make a very good plan you can stick with, no matter how low or fragile you get.

If you don't take control of your life...... you'll lose it.

Be careful of visits to your e mail. 

I'd suggest no contact with this woman, once again, till after the DNA test.