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Home Again, Sick and Confused
« on: February 27, 2008, 11:10:58 AM »
Hi, group,
I am back from my trip to stay with grandkids, and sick in bed with a ghastly flu-like illness including fever, have not been this physically ill in a very long time.

I left my home 3 weeks ago, happy, healthy, joyful, in control of my emotions and very positive, and excited about my burgeoning inner strength and voice.  Now here I am sick, exhausted, completely confused about some things I saw at my DIL and son’s home, feeling like I was being triggered, invalidated, used, discounted, lots of negative feelings and emotions, walking on eggshells the whole time around my daughter in law, in short, feeling “dazed and confused.”  I feel I lost all the ground I had gained before going to see them, meaning I lost my emerging self-confidence, and forgot how to practice mindfulness and EFT and ended up falling in to many old patterns of voicelessness, debasing myself, pleasing others at the expense of taking care of myself, and putting others first no matter what.  It was a gradual but steady decline.

At least I was somewhat aware of what was happening while it was happening.  I could tell I was losing ground daily.  At least I was conscious and aware of some things that were going on.  I guess I will take that as progress….

I am deeply disturbed about some observed behaviors with my DIL.  I felt she was always trying to be “on” in my presence, like calm and collected around the kids but when I was upstairs ostensibly out of earshot, I often heard her yelling at the kids.  I observed her treat my 4 year old granddaughter very harshly for what I considered to be minor issues, for example, it was troubling to see my DIL grab my granddaughters face, and jerk it forward, holding it immobile with strong fingers, and tell her things like “get that look off your face!” and some other very demeaning treatments, involving shutting down my GD, making her deny or suppress legitimate emotions. 

I was very puzzled when I would offer simple choices to my granddaughter like, “What craft do you want to do?” or “What flavor yogurt would you like?” and various other simple daily choices and she would say, “I don’t know….”   This happened very frequently, she seemed unable to make a simple choice about mundane things, like she was refusing or unable to express her own choices?  She also told me a couple of times that she wanted to come home with me by hiding in my suitcase….”  These things and more were deeply triggering to me, meaning they brought up memories of my Nmom.  I observed my DIL in groups of people and her body posture and voice inflections were very histrionic and she seemed to always need to be the center of attention, and as soon as she got into that center, like some sort of weird inner light would come on, I don’t really know how to describe what I say, other than it seemed like she was putting people under her spell, so to speak.  She always needed to have special foods and drinks that no one else were to have, etc.   She told me some minor lies.  I know this sounds like a typical “my DIL is a witch” kind of bashing, but truly it is not!  I just kept getting very, very triggered around her and I am trying to figure out WHY!! I have had lots of red flags around her in the past but before learning about NPD and narcissistic traits.  I just knew I felt we never were really communicating, just "going through the motions" or something.

I think since getting more info on NPD and learning about myself and my childhood from the standpoint of being raised by a Narcissistic parent, I am becoming much more aware of the behaviors and interactions of others.  However, this thought has also crossed my mind, “Am I going to start diagnosing everyone I know with NPD, now that I am learning about it, am I projecting NPD onto everyone?” 

I noticed my son had times when he simply withdrew from her and read or got on the computer and “tuned” out for hours.  They had a nasty argument right in front of me about something which could have been really easy to work out rationally, and it was not at all what I would term a “fair fight.”  I am wondering if my son is also most likely a workaholic; he loves his job, and is spending at least 12 hours a day away from home.  He seems very weak and defenseless in her (DIL) presence, his demeanor often reminds me of my dad. 

Having said all that, my main concern at the moment is what happened to ME?  How did I lose all the new skills I had been practicing and totally revert into voicelessness and subservience?  Is it possible to learn how to retain my personal space, dignity and boundaries around DIL without alienating her and losing access to my grandkids?  I truly feel in my gut that COULD happen!  Should I just do whatever it takes to make it work, knowing I am only going to be exposed to this a couple of times a year?  I do NOT want to lose my beloved grandchildren, we need each other!  I also love my DIL and son very much and don’t want to lose them, but I want healthy relationships to the maximum extent possible.  Is that asking too much in this crazy world?

The triggering came completely out of the blue and nearly knocked me for a loop.  I had actual physical reactions come over me.  It was spooky!  I told myself to just make it through one day at a time, keep things moving and survive, and I would try to find out what happened when I got back home. I knew I would need to do some work on this, but I do not want to “rock the boat” , as she seems to have most of the control in the family and my freedom to access my grandchildren is very dependent on my ability to “stay in line” so to speak.  I realize I am actually afraid of her!

Oh, yeah, my DIL did something else that really, really bothers me.  She would actually bash my son verbally to ME, venting all his bad qualities, complaining about his shortcomings.  I responded by trying to be supportive and understanding, but I simply felt very bad about this and don’t feel I had the skills to handle it properly, so I just let her do it.  I am going to have to make this stop, I cannot handle it, but I do not know how.  I wonder if DIL is narcissistic?  I thought about trying to secretly “test” her by deliberately criticizing something about her and seeing if she would react like an N, but decided against it as I thought that was rather cheap of me….   Thank God I took my laptop, so I could vent in my journal.  I found something online mentioned about practicing putting up a “Wall of Niceness” which worked pretty well, it is from some book about dealing with Ns I think; I want to find out more about it….

Thanks for letting me rant and talk this out. If anyone has any feedback or ideas I would greatly appreciate it, I plan to stay in bed all day with the vaporizer going and try to get well from the “green nasties.”  I will probably be online all day, too.

Hey, on a more positive note, my DH started reading “The Wizard of Oz and Other Narcissists” while I was away and we talked about a lot of what he has been learning.  He says he is really finally starting to “get it,” like, why I could go NC with my Nmom for months, then I would call her (trying hard to be a loving and caring daughter) and try to have a “normal” conversation with her, and be emotionally wrecked for a week after the phone call.  Or why she would always return, give away, or throw away gifts I gave her, unless it was money.  Or why she has never helped us in any way but has tried to extort money from us, which she does not NEED!  Lots of other things like that, so I feel so much better and so validated and supported by him, bless him!

Well, thanks for listening.  I am just so happy to be back and I hope to continue my healing journey here and wish peace and healing to everyone else, too. 

Violet 

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Re: Home Again, Sick and Confused
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2008, 11:20:32 AM »
Hello Violet.

Glad to meet you.

What a frustrating trip to see the wee ones.

I think part of your fear of DIL is the power she has over your son and Grandchildren.

Very frightening bc she's the mommy-one and your son seems not at all up to fending her off or protecting his children.

I'm glad you have the support and understanding of your husband.  That took a level of dread off your situation for me.

I particularly was disturbed by her rough handling of your 4yo gd. 

You want to help but sometimes helping can make things worse, ya know?

There's no easy answer to this but I feel for you and your family.


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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2008, 11:29:57 AM »
Hello Violet.

Glad to meet you.

What a frustrating trip to see the wee ones.

I think part of your fear of DIL is the power she has over your son and Grandchildren.

Very frightening bc she's the mommy-one and your son seems not at all up to fending her off or protecting his children.

I'm glad you have the support and understanding of your husband.  That took a level of dread off your situation for me.

I particularly was disturbed by her rough handling of your 4yo gd. 

You want to help but sometimes helping can make things worse, ya know?

There's no easy answer to this but I feel for you and your family.



What a helpful reply!  I know there was a lot in my post, and I am kind of all over the map right now regarding the difficulties of my visit.  Thanks so much for validating my concerns about things, especially the rough handling of my granddaughter.  I really appreciate your concerns and it is so nice to meet you, too, Lighter!  Violet

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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2008, 11:37:12 AM »
Your post had a lot of information and it helped me understand a lot about you, without having met you.

It was easy to read and you sound rational and intelligent to me so...... I enjoyed reading.

It's my pleasure to provide validation for nice people who are trying to understand and help others, esp when children are involved, frankly.

I don't read every post or every thread but...... yours struck a cord.

Feel free to vent antime...... I'm no stranger to long posts; ) 

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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2008, 11:47:02 AM »
Your post had a lot of information and it helped me understand a lot about you, without having met you.

It was easy to read and you sound rational and intelligent to me so...... I enjoyed reading.

It's my pleasure to provide validation for nice people who are trying to understand and help others, esp when children are involved, frankly.

I don't read every post or every thread but...... yours struck a cord.

Feel free to vent antime...... I'm no stranger to long posts; ) 

Thank you, Lighter! 

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Re: Home Again, Sick and Confused
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2008, 11:47:42 AM »
Dear Violet,
 I am so sorry to hear about your trip. My first response was  noting your perception of yourself, as "falling" back in to old patterns. I would think this was "natural" b/c you have had them for a long time. Also, you were in a  stressful situation.
  Your DIL sounds "bad", whatever her problem is.
  What do you do as a GM?
  THAT is very,very hard. My GM did nothing,(as far as stand up to my M),BUT she gave me love and attention. She is the reason I have the little sanity I do(lol)
 Violet,you are in a very hard predicament. I wish I could help. I am sorry you are not feeling well. Maybe the trip and change of weather wore down your resistance.
 Violet,it sounds like you have a nice husband. Do you?
  I wish I could offer more help.
 Your best bet is to try to find your own inner peace and core.In that way, you will be strengthening your OWN compass, and answers may come. I have missed you. Sorry to see you back on a somber note, BUT glad you have returned.    Love    Ami
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Re: Home Again, Sick and Confused
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2008, 12:04:16 PM »
Hi Violet - you mentioned being worried about being triggered and that you felt you were slipping "back". I don't think you have anything worry about! Even though you're under the weather, you seem to have a fairly balanced view of your experience.

I'm not sure we can ever, completely totally escape being triggered by bad situations... though I do know we can at least turn the intensity of the feelings down, with practice (I'm working on it). Those feelings were a kind of survival instinct for so long... you know?

I think sometimes the best thing us G'mas can do is to let our kids work it out for themselves. Doesn't mean you can't venture an observation or opinion, here & there... and yes, I know you probably want to protect the little ones from experiencing the same thing you did. For me, the hardest thing has been to let my daughters make their mistakes, and pick themselves back up again - without me trying to "fix" everything...I truly want happiness for both of them. But my magic wand just doesn't work that long range!!

Maybe you could offer to take the kiddos for weekends or a week during the summer? Give them a respite - and the parents, too.




Thanks for your validating response, PhoenixRising, okay, starting to cry now....  I so agree with your wise, calm advice.   Family relationships can be so difficult and thank you for reminding me that I am not the savior of the world and the only thing I can fix is me!!  At least I realized I was in over my head and decided to wait and think, before acting, which I guess is a sort of progress for me, a sort of mindfulness.

Oh yeah, one other thing, we have been talking about getting the grandchildren out for visits as soon as the parents feel they are old enough to come but they are 4 and 18 months presently (I can't wait til they are old enough); son and DIL seem amenable to that!  This is so important to me because my own paternal grandmother was the one in my childhood who showed me what "normal" was, she was totally accepting, validating, kind, compassionate, giving, life affirming, and everything my Nmom was not.  BTW, my Nmom HATED her and turned some of my sibs against her.  The only reason we were allowed to spend time with grandmother was to get us out of Nmom's hair as much as possible!  Thank God!  I think some of this stuff got churned up and got my head spinning.... 

Anyway, thanks again, Phoenix, and peace to you.  Violet   ((((((((PhoenixRising))))))))

Wow, just posting and getting feedback on the board is already diminishing my anxiety level.  I love you guys!!!  V

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Re: Home Again, Sick and Confused
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2008, 12:16:10 PM »
Dear Violet,
 I am so sorry to hear about your trip. My first response was  noting your perception of yourself, as "falling" back in to old patterns. I would think this was "natural" b/c you have had them for a long time. Also, you were in a  stressful situation.
  Your DIL sounds "bad", whatever her problem is.
  What do you do as a GM?
  THAT is very,very hard. My GM did nothing,(as far as stand up to my M),BUT she gave me love and attention. She is the reason I have the little sanity I do(lol)
 Violet,you are in a very hard predicament. I wish I could help. I am sorry you are not feeling well. Maybe the trip and change of weather wore down your resistance.
 Violet,it sounds like you have a nice husband. Do you?
  I wish I could offer more help.
 Your best bet is to try to find your own inner peace and core.In that way, you will be strengthening your OWN compass, and answers may come. I have missed you. Sorry to see you back on a somber note, BUT glad you have returned.    Love    Ami

Dear Ami,
So glad to "talk" to you again.  Yes, my paternal GM did nothing as well (standing up against the abusive treatment at the hands of her DIL, my Nmom) just loved me unconditionally and, like you, she probably is the main reason I am somewhat sane and still on the planet.  Hers is a good template to follow, IMHO, and I spent all the time I had with GD trying to do the same. Of course, baby grandson won't really remember me for a while yet, but I really hope I laid down some foundations for unconditional love with him, too.

I am sort of wondering if my physical illness has distorted my view of things and with a few more days of rest, my perspective will be better....  You have offered plenty of help, BTW, mainly by just being here!   Love ya!  Violet

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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2008, 02:54:15 PM »





Dear Violet,

I'm glad you're resting.  I'm going to throw this in because it happened to me and knocked me for a loop physically.  I'm a grandma and got mono about four years ago.  I was working at a school at the time and figure I picked it up there although I am careful about washing hands etc.   Plus being in the environment with your DIL and son and seeing that things are not good in itself could drag you down on all levels.  You must first and foremost take care of you.

I'm glad you have a good spouse.

tt

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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2008, 06:19:35 PM »

Is DIL jealous of any attention to you from the grandchildren?


Hi, Izzy,
First of all may I say, I hate what you have had to go through with your grandchildren; it sounds like the nightmare I am fearing, i don't want all this to happen and frankly, I don't like the FEAR!!

To answer your question, I am not sure if DIL is jealous, at least to me it does not seem like she is.  However we did have a conversation wherein she told me about one of her younger brothers whom she dislikes and she says he is "so jealous" of her, which raised some red flags with me, like she was projecting her own jealousy on to him.  If my GD starts saying things like, "I want to sneak into gramma's suitcase" or other stuff like that, who knows if my DIL will react?   :?   I just don't know....

I just frankly hate being thrust back into so much fear and uncertainty!  Oh, well, I guess I better just get my big girl panties on, huh?

Thanks for writing, Iz....

V

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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2008, 06:24:12 PM »
  You must first and foremost take care of you.

tt

Thanks for this, TT!  I am trying to do this; I hope I get a better mental perspective when I am over this horrible URI or whatever it is, bronchitis or something....

I really appreciate your response....  V

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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2008, 06:25:41 PM »

One thing I keep reminding myself, is that if Mom always steps up to the task, they might feel like I don't have confidence in their ability to take care of themselves.... it's the last thing I want them to feel, too!

That's a very good point!  v

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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2008, 07:38:02 PM »
hi Violet,

I can imagine the frustration, especially when she's being an ass with her children.
But I do see the value of a Wall of Nice.

If you can stand it, I'd be as kind and tolerant (give 'er some supply) as you can, so YES your grandchildren can always have their precious bond with you. Even if they only saw you once or twice a year, they'll be there to feel the love.

Inching toward a confrontation with her or reasoning or anything else a reasonable person would do...will probably inspire her to cut you off.

I hate the stories I hear about grandparents being discarded like so much trash.

Perhaps if it's always and only a gift to her (because you admire her hard work soooooo much) you'll get those visits...

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Re: Home Again, Sick and Confused
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2008, 07:44:48 PM »

If you can stand it, I'd be as kind and tolerant (give 'er some supply) as you can,

Hey, Hops, thanks,
Yes I agree about kindness and tolerance.  I kept thinking how many times in the past I have simply needed kindness and unconditional love and feel that is the way I want to handle the situation with DIL.  I actually truly love her, BTW.  I just am so new to all this NPD stuff, remember, I only learned about it a few weeks ago, I wonder if I am overreacting?  Not sure how to handle her bashing my son, oh well, I don't have to solve that problem tonight....
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Re: Home Again, Sick and Confused
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2008, 07:55:13 PM »
Violet,
 I want to agree that you can't figure it all out ,at once. It sounds complicated. Pray and ask God to show you what you should do, Violet, and then see where you are led. That would be the advice that *I* would try to take ,in the situation, anyway.    Love   Ami
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