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Wildflower

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« on: October 27, 2004, 12:49:22 AM »
My thoughts are jumbled at the moment, and I apologize that I have to make this post so personal, but sometimes that's still the only way I know how to communicate what I'm trying to say.

I just came back tonight after being away for a few days. I was away because talking here with people helped me start some very big and long-awaited healing.  It's not the first time this board has helped me in this way, either.  While I was away, I was looking at the world through new eyes - and one step closer, I felt, to health.

One of the biggest obstacles I face is that I had to survive my parents, and in order to do so, I became a person I hated.  Sometimes this obstacle is so overwhelming to me that I fear I won't be able to pull through after all, that I'll never learn to love myself after all that's happened.  That I'll never heal and be someone that others can love.

But the more I learn, the easier it is to battle through the overwhelming times.  What I just learned is that part of that self-hatred came from the fact that I was encouraged to hate myself by two N parents and an N grandmother.  But part of that self-hatred came from the fact that the person who survived (the shell of me) had to do things that broke my heart.  Things I was ashamed of.  But I was just a child trying to survive.  And people saw me and reacted to me.  People with their own problems in the world.  Those problems prevented them from recognizing how much trouble and pain I was in when I was a child, and their hurtful actions drove me completely inside myself.  Their actions confirmed my fears that my parents were right about how horrible I was.  I belonged nowhere in the world.  Not in my own home, not in the world outside.

Am I alone in feeling this way?  Was I an extreme case?  Does no one else here feel so intensely the pain of having to become someone they weren't because of the life they were given?

Am I alone in trying to shed layer after layer of survival mechanisms that just don't make any sense now that I'm away from my parents?  Mechanisms like keeping everyone at bay?  Mechanisms like looking for problems in everything so that I can run at the first sign of danger - so that I wont be cornered into fighting?

The thing is, I don't think I'm alone.  Not anymore.  I keep seeing others here speaking through their survival mechanisms.  Maybe my view is distorted?

So, my point.  I came back here to talk to some friends who have listened to me more than some of my best real-world friends, and in some ways I wish my parents had.  I consider them friends because they have helped me so much.

But we all have our strengths and weaknesses here, right?  We're not all compatible.  Sometimes my buttons get pushed here, but I think that's natural.  I think that's natural not just because people are different, but because people here in particular have had to learn some tough life lessons, and if they're able to talk here, to find their voice through all the hell, then maybe there'll be one more person who's no longer speaking through survival mechanisms.

There are bound to be some N-ish behaviors here, right?  Or am I an N trying to justify my own N-ish behavior picked up from my parents?  Am I just trying to make a case for myself because I'm so far damaged there's no hope?

But if I'm right, how are we going to deal with it?  By sniping at people here who are trying to get help in whatever way they can?  By criticizing the ways in which others interact here?

I'm so depressed by what I've read here tonight.

Wildflower
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2004, 01:38:47 AM »
Hi Wildflower -

I have been away for a while, dealing with some personal stuff that's going on.  I saw your name and wanted to read what you had to say in this thread.  I was deeply touched by it.  I can totally relate to how you have felt about yourself in the past.   I have hated myself at different stages of my life / healing.  It made me cry when you really explained WHY we hate ourselves sometimes.  I never thought of it that deeply before but it is so true.   :cry:   We were merely in survival mode trying to make it day by day.  And unfortunately, as you so dearly pointed out, due to our past learned behaviors (and the behaviors learned of the people we interact with) it is hard to understand where we're coming from sometimes and see that we are all doing the best we can at the moment.  Everyone has a gift to offer us if we could just keep our defenses down long enough to accept it.  I have also found this board to be a Godsend in my healing process - I came here unaware of what I was beginning to feel regarding my parents and I learn more about myself - and how I fit into this world - every time I visit.  I haven't had a chance to catch up on my favorite threads, but from the looks of the last few posts I don't think I'll even bother.  Maybe I'll just start fresh with this one and keep myself in a happier state of mind.   :lol:

Hugs to you Wildflower.  I have truly been touched by your vulnerability and caring heart.  Thanks for helping me (and others) to grow.  I hope that people will read this message and really think about it.  

Love, Michelle
Healing one day at a time.....

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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2004, 02:04:04 AM »
Thank you so much for your post, Michelle :D.  I really appreciated it.  It's good to see you back, too!

(((Michelle))))

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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2004, 03:59:27 AM »
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One of the biggest obstacles I face is that I had to survive my parents, and in order to do so, I became a person I hated.  Sometimes this obstacle is so overwhelming to me that I fear I won't be able to pull through after all, that I'll never learn to love myself after all that's happened.  That I'll never heal and be someone that others can love.

Honestly I believe that a far larger percentage of people than anyone can imagine are affected this way.  The difference between the majority of them and us is that we are becoming aware of it.  Most are operating as they were programmed with no idea why.  

I truly believe that we are all born pure love.  If our parents had received unconditional love they would have had it to give to us.  Since they didn't, they could not, and now we must learn to love ourselves.  

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"I belonged nowhere in the world.  Not in my own home, not in the world outside."

When a child has no safe place to call their own how else could they feel?

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"Am I alone in feeling this way?  Was I an extreme case?  Does no one else here feel so intensely the pain of having to become someone they weren't because of the life they were given?"


No.  And the more aware you become of having done the very things your parents did the deeper the pain may feel.  

We must all get to the point that we love ourselves unconditionally and forgive ourselves because everyone - no matter how they behave - is truly doing the best they know how.  

You were doing the best you knew how then.  If you are aware of it now then you are better than you were.  

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Mechanisms like keeping everyone at bay?  


You are very aware if you realize you keep people at bay.  I keep ME at bay, feeling that I am too intense and others can only take me in small quantities.  

I prefer to write, and live online, because in writing I KNOW that I have not been unintentionally critical.

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Mechanisms like looking for problems in everything so that I can run at the first sign of danger - so that I wont be cornered into fighting?


I only realized after twenty-some years in a career that the reason I was so conscientious and competent (and overworked and taken advantage of) was that I was avoiding criticism at all costs.

When the stress at the company got worse and my Manager complained about my work, I told him I "didn't DO criticism" and if what I did wasn't good enough then "fire me now, because it is already the best I can do, because I ALWAYS do the best I can do".  

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The thing is, I don't think I'm alone.  Not anymore.  I keep seeing others here speaking through their survival mechanisms.  Maybe my view is distorted?


No.  You have much awareness and clarity.  The main difference between us and "normal" people is that they are not aware of it yet.  Some may never be aware of it.  

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But we all have our strengths and weaknesses here, right?  


This is another symptom of our voicelessness and lack of unconditional love.  We feel we must be "perfect" or we're not good enough.  There is no perfect.  There is no need to do anything to be "good enough".  We already ARE.  

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Sometimes my buttons get pushed here, but I think that's natural.


The buttons are from our issues.  You KNOW they're buttons so you can work on not reacting.  

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There are bound to be some N-ish behaviors here, right?  Or am I an N trying to justify my own N-ish behavior picked up from my parents?  


Yes, because we are all affected.  

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Am I just trying to make a case for myself because I'm so far damaged there's no hope?


Now that I'm sure that the person I am with is definitely NPD and damaged beyond hope I see some hope for me.  I say this because he REFUSES and honestly seems totally UNABLE to hear anything.  Zero empathy.  None at all.  

He was so abused he is certain that he is always the victim and another is always the perpetrator no matter how abusive he is acting in that moment and no matter how carefully you try to give him what he wants 100% of the time to reduce the abuse.

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But if I'm right, how are we going to deal with it?  


My hope is that those who recognize and admit when they are acting narcissistic, critical, or selfish and sincerely work on changing can be healed.  

Those who insist that they are no part of the problem - that they are the victim even though anyone seeing their behavior knows it is abusive - will not heal.  

Could they CHOOSE to heal if they really are NPD?  I don't know.  It appears not based on all I have tried with him.  

I am certain that you cannot have NPD because if you did you wouldn't be aware nor concerned nor trying to change yourself.  

Although we may have some narcissistic traits we are still working on I don't believe we are beyond hope nor permanently damaged.  

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By sniping at people here who are trying to get help in whatever way they can?  By criticizing the ways in which others interact here?


I believe that we must all be more tolerant; cease to expect perfection; forgive; strive not to be critical - and all these things just as much for ourselves as for others.

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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2004, 10:34:26 AM »
Hi Wondering :)

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I believe that we must all be more tolerant; cease to expect perfection; forgive; strive not to be critical - and all these things just as much for ourselves as for others.

I agree. Can I change it a wee bit? Not 'just as much for ourselves' but firstly and most importantly for ourselves we should try to:
be more tolerant of ourselves,  
stop expecting ourselves to be perfect,
to forgive ourselves,
and strive not be critical of ourselves.
Maybe then we can love ourselves. And then we can love others, but not before. I think, yes?

Very good to see you (((Wildflower))) and (((Michelle))) :D

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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2004, 02:30:30 PM »
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Can I change it a wee bit? Not 'just as much for ourselves' but firstly and most importantly for ourselves


Yes, first for ourselves.  Wayne Dyer's tapes are very helpful and as he often says "we cannot give away what we do not have".  We have to love ourselves first, forgive ourselves first, accept ourselves first - before we can give these things to others.

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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2004, 10:28:29 AM »
Wildflower -

I hope you'll continue this discussion.  It gives me the guts to look at things in myself that would potentially be "uncomfortable" or shaming otherwise.  Thanks for being bold enough to post this stuff.  fm

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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2004, 10:47:40 AM »
Hello to you all...

Thank you Wildflower for having the courage to share your thoughts about this.  Yes, yes...the survival mechanisms...that is what I am trying to understand more about myself.  And yes they were formed to help me through a difficult childhood, but now they are only interfering with my relationships and feeling good about myself.  I have found some and learned to rewrite how I respond to those thoughts...but I know there are more that I would like to recognize and deal with.

I would also be interested in more discussion about this.

Take Care,
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2004, 11:30:53 AM »
This is really a good thread (so far, let's hope the hyperactivity doesn't start here too). Wildflower, your words have given me pause to think. I see now that this is true:

"... survive my parents, and in order to do so, I became a person I hated... What I just learned is that part of that self-hatred came from the fact that I was encouraged to hate myself ... But part of that self-hatred came from the fact that the person who survived (the shell of me) had to do things that broke my heart. Things I was ashamed of. But I was just a child trying to survive."

And especially:

"Am I alone in trying to shed layer after layer of survival mechanisms that just don't make any sense now that I'm away from my parents? Mechanisms like keeping everyone at bay? Mechanisms like looking for problems in everything so that I can run at the first sign of danger - so that I wont be cornered into fighting?"

Ah, boy, does that ring true for me. I remember years ago, when I was single, a very good friend of mine said to me: "why do you treat men the way you do?" I was dumbfounded, could not understand what she meant. She said: "you push them into confrontations, it's like you are saying, 'come on, come on, hurt me so I can get rid of you.' " Maybe she was right -- even today I want to keep a distance from most people. I just hate to go through the pain of disappointment and to find out I have been tricked into believing something that wasn't true. I am always suspicious. Well, I have many, many layers of shielding armor, but they are gradually peeling. What really makes me sad is that while they peel, they scrape off some of my real self with them. Yes, more of the real core is revealed, but it's been damaged, much like removing old varnish from a table to get down to the natural wood. When I look back, I think I was quite an innocent and sweet little girl, always willing to please and help others. It still breaks my heart to realize the hatred that was directed to me. Oh, I wish so very, very much that I had had another mother -- that one of those nurses who knew she was a nut job when she refused to hold me or touch me for six days -- I wish one of them had stolen me out the back door and taken me somewhere to a loving home. I am quite certain I would never have been missed.

All these posts are wonderful and help so much. Thank you.

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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2004, 10:36:41 PM »
I didn't really know how to come back here, so I really appreciate all of your replies.  I got upset after reading all those harsh words being exchanged.  It's not the first time I've felt that way here, either - or even the first time I reacted the way I did.  I had to stop and think about why, and I was stuck until I read wondering's post about interrupting others.

Reading those exchanges forced me into a kind of emotional inventory.  Keys?  Check.  Ticket? Check.  Passport? Passport?  Do I have my passport into the world of healthy human interactions?  Are there things I'm still doing and just don't realize it?  Yes, sure, but now they're more benign.  I hope.  Are they?  That's what it is.  Those words just threw me into deep self-doubt.

I used to interrupt others all the time, too (still do sometimes).  It was the only way I get a word in edge-wise with my parents (still is).  After years of this, I became very aggressive and dominating in conversations - afraid to let the mic go for fear of never getting it back again.  Only, most people never interrupted me the way my parents did.  They didn't know the rules of the game I'd learned to play.  So I kept talking and talking and talking...I didn't know how to shut myself up - or even have a real conversation. My parents shut me up.  Conversation was a battle, not an opportunity to get to know others. I regret the fact that for many years, I did to others what my parents did to me by blabbing endlessly and not really listening to others.  But I had to learn their rules in order to live with them.  In order to have any chance of being heard.

And keeping people at bay.  What if I start hanging out with someone and find out I don't agree with them?  Forget the harder scenario involving ending up being around someone mean.  How about simply disagreeing with someone?  I was never allowed my own opinion...what does it mean to allow others to have theirs?  If I allow them their own opinion, does that mean mine is sacrificed?  At home it sure did.  I literally had no idea how to be different and myself with others.  I had no idea they didn't care to turn me into them.  I had no idea they were able to like me because I was different from them.  All I knew were the battles with my parents - or the ultimate submissiveness.  Nothing in between.  So I mimicked others.  I tried to be like them.  Or I bullied them - because I couldn't let them run over me.  Sometimes I did this with the same person.  It must have been so confusing, even hurtful, to be around me.  But I had to learn these extremes because if I were always aggressive, I'd be punished severely all the time.  If I never spoke up and fought back (and I mean fought), I wouldn't have had food or school supplies.  And I never would have been let out of the house to be with my friends.  There were no in betweens at home.

But the mean words.  The harsh words.  Yeah.  I'm really familiar with those.  I used to be completely obsessed by the idea that if my parents just knew how much they were hurting me, they would stop.  I spent so much energy (energy I could have used to study for school, get my homework done, learn how to get along with the other kids at school), trying to figure out how to get through to them.  Sometimes, maybe often, my answer was to hurt them back.  Sometimes, the only way to get them to stop hurting me was to hurt them back.  But it would have to be quick- before they set up their guard.  It'd have to be something so bad that it would break through their barriers.  Catch them off guard.  So hey, if I happened to get close to someone who wasn't my parents and they hurt me, I had no idea how to handle it other than to retaliate with words that would cut through the thickest of skins.  I didn't know that all I had to do was say, "that hurt, please don't do that".  If I said those exact words to my parents, one of my parents would go into a rage and the other would talk about how much of a victim she was.  That's the worst of it to me.  Whether or not I had a choice, whether or not someone else in my shoes would have found better ways to react (isn't that always the question, though?  could I have done a better job with them? was it really all my own failing?), I learned to be mean.  And manipulative.  I had to be manipulative, I know that.  I probably even had to be mean.  But boy has it been hard to forgive myself for that.

I've said a lot, but these are the three things that jumped into my head when I was thinking about wondering's responses.  What did I have to do?  What did I do that I hated doing?  And for the first time in my life, I'vebeen able ask myself (and start to forgive myself in the process) - why did I have to do it?

What did you guys have to do?  What did you hate the most?  Did you do some of the same things but for different reasons?

Wildflower
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2004, 11:29:53 PM »
Wildflower,
I understand exactly what you said.

My survival technics:

1. I will avoid confrontation at all cost unless someone is hurting one of my children. Then momma bear breaks out and I put on the gloves. I cannot stand to be accused of something that I did not do because I lived that all my life. I remember every word I hear because I was always told it didn't happen that way or wasn't said.

2. I was a hyper interrupter. The only way I could speak at home was to interrupt but I paid the price. So I was not allowed to say much. I was told I had nothing worth saying. So when among friends, I had everything to say, but because I was silenced all the time, I wasn't very good at communicating. I laughed at the wrong times, talked too loud, talked too fast, twisted my words around and acted like a complete idiot all of my growing years. It took going to college to learn to speak correctly. Now I listen much more than I speak and if I try to say something and someone interrupts, I shut down. And I usually get my feelings hurt because I do not feel anyone cares about my point of view. Then I tell myself my point of view is stupid, I have no right to speak out.

That is why I love this board. Many of you are probably rolling your eyes at my words but I can't see you to feel hurt. If you choose to respond, I was heard. If you disagree kindly, I feel like an adult. If you accuse me of a wrong doing, I break apart and it may not be pretty. But the end result is that I am not known by anyone here other than by my stories and login name. So the risk is minimal.

3. I do not get close to anyone. I will tell them my life story, put my life in their hands, but only for a short time. I refuse to depend on anyone except H and my kids. I do not like to have anyone do me favors because I owe them. I love to party and when I'm buzzed, I feel comfortable. But then tomorrow comes and I'm scared that someone saw me with my guard down. So I avoid people as much as I can. I enjoy my co-workers but they see the work side of me. I have fun and laugh a lot, but I am respected for my knowledge and it's different than expecting someone to accept you for absolutely no reason.

There were too many years of being told I was useless, stupid, a looser, a failure, a whore, a nuisance. I will never be able to get over it all. I will never get close to anyone again outside of my immediate family and I'm ok with that. How wierd is that?

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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2004, 12:22:07 AM »
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"you push them into confrontations, it's like you are saying, 'come on, come on, hurt me so I can get rid of you.' "


Thanks for sharing this, DG.  I think I used to do this, too.  I'd push the guys I dated more than any of my friends.  I think I might have been pushing them to show their colors NOW so that I wouldn't find out later.  And if they fought back and hurt me, it was so much easier to slam the castle gates shut.

Ellie, I loved reading your reply.  I think you may have had some similar experiences but you've described them somewhat differently.  It's made me wonder if I'm still seeing who I was back then through my parent's ultra critical eyes.  Maybe I'm still doing the "I wasn't perfect so I was horrible" math?

It's what I was starting to see, maybe, (but I keep forgetting) when I realized that all those people outside of my family were just reacting to me in their own ways.  Their reactions weren't necessarily "proof" that I was a horrible person.

I'm not saying I haven't hurt people.  But as wondering said

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We must all get to the point that we love ourselves unconditionally and forgive ourselves because everyone - no matter how they behave - is truly doing the best they know how.


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This is another symptom of our voicelessness and lack of unconditional love. We feel we must be "perfect" or we're not good enough. There is no perfect. There is no need to do anything to be "good enough". We already ARE.


We just WERE.  And if we look back and see mistakes (which is what children from healthy families are allowed), we STILL did the best we could.  And getting better does not mean we used to be BAD.

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And if you want to be free, be free
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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2004, 07:48:38 AM »
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2. I was a hyper interrupter.

Aha :idea:   Me, too, and I love your explanation.  I'm trying to stop that  habit.  Like you, I was never able to finish a sentence, and still cannot, when I am with my NM - so when I am with normal folks and get the chance to talk, I have noticed that sometimes I get half-way through a thought and just assume someone will interrupt and stop my sentence, and when they don't interrupt me, I sometimes rattle on and on,  all the while expecting someone to interrup me and stop me....very interesting, when I think about the big picture.

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3. I do not get close to anyone. I will tell them my life story, put my life in their hands, but only for a short time. I refuse to depend on anyone except H


Yup!  I find it hard to trust anyone, which makes sense since I have come to know that I cannot trust my NM at all, ever, and I guess that speaks to the core of who I am - If I cannot trust my own mother, then who could I ever trust?  I now know she is crazy, but still, if I attempt to trust people, and they somehow hurt me, I flog myself for being so stupid as to trust someone with my heart.  Back to my solitude, where I feel safe - only let my dear H get really close.    It even was a huge step to join this group..

Oh, sometimes the damage done by these damn NP's really makes me angry - really angry.  So cruel, so self-centred, so destructive.
Damn them all. :evil:
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2004, 09:29:23 AM »
Wildflower,
I too have presently been trying to make heads or tails of the utter havoc my N parent brought upon my family.  I'll refer you to another post where I went into a bit of detail of what a mess my   PSYCHO mother has brought upon my own family.
                         
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Since all this has errupted I decided I wanted to get more involved within my religion.  I felt I needed to get closer to G-d in any way I could to try to possibly figure out why this happened for one, but it turned into something so much more valuable.  Don't get the wrong idea that I'm some kind of "holy roler".  I grew up in a very non-observant jewish household.  Since childhood I always was aware of an inner spiritual connection to my religion.  I always has brought me happiness and peace.  Ironically I ended up not marrying within my religion, which is where my mother's initial evilness stems from.  She hates my husband soley on this factor alone.  I don't feel it's appropriate to go off on a tangent of the ins and outs of this mess.  However, I will tell you that my husband is truely is a good man.  Nevermind him as a husband, he's just simply been blessed with a good heart/soul/spirit.  Nmom hasn't allowed herself to see any further than her initial complaint.  Oh well...her loss.

The point I am taking forever to get to is this:
For you to have enough introspect to notice what you may consider areas you need to work on...is a total "blessing".  More often than not, people go through their entire lives no ever looking "in" to see what is probably the bigger picture.

I find it absolutely incredible that after so many of us here have gone through so much crap, hurt in such scarring ways, we are aware and seeking out ways to conquer it and feel good again.

I must tell you that our Narcissism is all around us.  Every person has some level of it.  Look at the way today's society is.  We have so much right at our finger tips, and so many messages and things that can be easily obtained in a snap nowadays, that we've turned into a society of "gimmee that instant gratification now".  Which "bigger picture" is ultimitaley a self indulgent way of "being".  It's not our fault, after all, we are only human.

I went through the begining stages reflecting back on my behavior towards people.  I also critically pondered the reasons behind losing many friends over the years.  I know that back then...I felt totally justified in whatever my stance was.  Looking back, I realized I was probably the one who had a bigger hand in creating riffs through many friendships.  I could beat myself up over things like this.  But I was much younger, and couldn't possibly have had the introspect I have now to do things any different.  

I am at a place now where I have been fortunate enough to find some meaning in the cards that have been dealt to me.  For the first time in my entire life I can say..."I am happy".  I remember actually feeling "happy" and started to cry uncontrollably for the simple fact that I forgot how "happy" felt.  I immediately knew my body was experiencing something that has been forever a stranger to my being.  It's all so bitter sweet...it took me severing ties with my parents to bring me to this state.  But I must say, I feel like the person I was truely meant to be, has finally been freed.  I feel a peace within myself and resolve that I HAD to experience all that my past carried, in order for me to possibly truely appreciate where I am today.  For the first time in my life, I feel comfortable in my own skin.

As far as the parents go...who knows.  My mother is sick.  I haven't reached a place of total forgiveness yet.  I think it will take much more time for me to continue to heal.  But I know that she no longer has the power to control or affect me like she used to.  Why?  I won't allow her.  This may mean that I could possibly salvage somewhat of relationship with them down the line.  Who knows?  All is know is this....

It's my turn to have the lights shine on me.  I actually have been behaving very much like a N.  But I'm due!  It's time for me to do what 's good for my soul.  I hope you catch my drift...by no means am I behaving evil towards anyone!  Just saying...It's long overdue that I spent time being good to myself and feeling good.

I wish you much luck on your own journey Wildflower!

 
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2004, 01:39:23 PM »
I know it is difficult getting through all the pain and anger.  One thing we must understand is that the "Ns" in our life are the way they are because of how the "Ns" in their life raised them.  

They also are doing the best they can.  They honestly cannot do any better because they are so damaged that it appears they cannot even ADMIT or SEE what they are doing.  

Would anyone really consciously CHOOSE to be the way they are?  At some point isn't it best to just forgive them for our own sake?  Holding on to resentment and anger only hurts us.  Resolution is not possible because they aren't healthy enough to resolve anything.