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My N-mother has been telling me that I am cold hearted and selfish for not seeing my brother's two children (my nephews). My mother tells me I'm a pathetic person. I didn't go to my brother's wedding. My name came up during his nasty divorce proceedings despite the fact that I had never met his family or his ex-wife.

My brother is visiting from out of state and he is staying at my Narcissistic mother's house.

I saw him and the children a couple of days ago for the first time, one is 5, one is 8 years old. I hadn't planned on being at my N-mother's house or visiting them. It just randomly happened that I was in the emergency room, and I asked my n-mother to pick me up because I don't have anyone else around who would do that for me. Turned out that the doctor just thinks it was kidney stones.
I wish I had a better personal support system, I wouldn't ask my mother for help if I had someone else to ask.

I ended up at my mother's house. So, I made easter eggs with the kids because according to my Mother the kids didn't get to do this at easter time and they really wanted to. It was pretty simple to do, boil some eggs, dissolve some dye and encourage the kids while they are making them, it's not like it's difficult to do. I hid the eggs around the yard for the kids and watched them find the eggs. My alcoholic brother was just sitting inside on a computer during this, no interest in it at all. I  also went to the fair with the kids and my N-Mother, I got on the rides with the kids, my alcoholic brother just sat at home on the computer and didn't come to the fair. I took the kids for a walk down to the beach so they could collect shells. I played baseball with them. I had fun hanging out with the kids. One of my nephews sits for hours upon hours on a little video-game-player every single day and no one limits the time he spends doing this.

My mother and her husband bring home big boxes of beer and my brother is drinking himself into a stupor every single night. He drinks 4-5 beers and then he starts drinking tequila, he is also sneaking outside through the downstairs basement to smoke. The kids don't brush their teeth at night because he is already in a mumbling stupor by their bedtime, I have them come and brush their teeth at the same time I'm brushing mine. After one night that I point out to my n-mother "grandma" that the kids are not brushing their teeth, n-mother tells me to "lay off" and then she gets out a toothbrush and starts brushing her pet poodles teeth???? The kids are eatting junk that my n-mother is feeding them, she says how she wants the vacation to be "idyllic", the kids are eatting icecream, popcycles, hard candies, juice, soda, french fries, pie, cake and it goes on and on from morning to night its a sugarfest. I tell her that the kids are eatting too much junk and then she says in front of one of the boys that "he is chubby", the poor kid then shows me his stomach later after we have gone for a walk and asks me if he is less chubby after the walk, I just pat his back and say "honey it's ok" because I don't know what else to say.

It comes up somehow that the kids are not brushing their teeth and my brother's response to it is "I don't brush my own teeth". It's a response that sends the message he neglects himself so it's ok to neglect the kid's health..........and it's familiar I went through this when I was a child.
The thing is, the toothbrushes are sitting there and the toothpaste is there. The kids are not getting the right kind of routines and supervision.

They are not my kids and I have my own problems to face. I can't fix the situation and that is why I never wanted to meet his family. During the time I was there though, I made them brush their teeth, I clipped their long fingernails because my brother is too lazy to do it when I set the clippers right in front of him on the table. I can't stand my brother he is a foul jerk. Somehow this sort of stuff is overlooked and my relatives seem to be entertained by his weird buffoonish stories when he is drunk.

So fast forward the next day, I'm in the car with my alcoholic brother and my narcissistic mother, and the two kids. Something sets my brother off and he starts yelling at the top of his lungs in the middle of the parking lot. He gets out of the car and he is yelling at me through the window where I am still sitting and he is screaming "get out" "get out", his face is red and he is shaking and I wonder if he is going to hit me. He is screaming all sorts of nonsense that I don't even remember what he is saying I get out of the car. But before I do my N-mother says to ME "your a miserable person, you need to see a counselor". My n-mother looks over towards a building and she says "we better leave, or else they are going to report us".

I walk from the middle of the parking lot over to the entrance of a building and ask if I can use a restroom. When I get out of the restroom, a woman asks me if I'm ok multiple times and she says that she saw the kids crying and saw them going to my N-mother to be comforted. I tell them that he's my brother and he is an alcoholic and those are his kids. The woman says she is required to report anything like that. I look at her and shrug my shoulders because there is no law agaisnt n-grandmothers making alcoholic children that are horrible parents. My brother doesn't care if he is reported, somehow he is like this big monster that threatens everyone around him. My brother only has the children on weekends, the rest of the time they live with their mother whom I've never met. I think my brother's big-crazy-alcoholism is due to my mother's narcissism. Somehow my the addiction has helped my brother to be big enough that he isn't completely overshadowed by her narcissism.

Mother drives away with my alcoholic brother. I'm in an unfamiliar city, and an unfamiliar neighborhood that I have never been in before. I walk miles to the nearest bus station wait for about an hour and then spend the rest of the day catching a series of buses back to my apartment. When I get home that night I call my mother and I tell her how disgusting the scene was, that the people witnessing it inside the building said they are required to report events like that. My mother then starts telling me how I was the cause of the problem, I tell her that other people don't act the way my brother does and theres no excuse for it. I tell her it's inappropriate. My mother doesn't hear any of this and she blames me for his outburst. At this point I'm so pissed off that I start yelling profanity at her on the phone!

Mother trys to tell me that I have various mental problems. I tell her: "I've been to many therapists and I have never been diagnosed with anything like what you are trying to tell me I have, you are not qualified to make a diagnosis." She pauses for a second after I say that and then she just continues to tell me that everything is somehow my fault. The arguing just goes around and around where she tells me that I make everyone uncomfortable and miserable.

This all happened a couple of days ago. I was almost wondering if she was starting to change because for a brief period of time she started acting nice. I guess because I haven't seen my mother around my brother for a while I forgot how she is part of the alcoholism disease. After 8+ years of not seeing my brother I guess my memory must have faded about how bad it is. The scene in the parking lot was exactly like a domestic violence advertisement on television. But it wasn't on television I was sitting there witnessing it on the receiving end of it. There is not a single one of my relatives that steps in either and says "this is out of control and unnecessary." My mother actually looks to my alcoholic brother for advice, as if he is the masculine "voice of reasoning". Both of my grandparents (my mother's) parents were alcoholics so my mother has some weird "codependent" personality. She doesn't drink that much herself but she seems exactly like an alcoholic to me.

I think I actually called my mother a "f-ing B*tch" after the scene in the parking lot because I was angry that I was being blamed for my brother's violent outburst. Then, I myself lose my own dignity and flip out and say all this nasty stuff to my mother.

During the time that I'm there at the house my brother also tell's me in this mean/alcoholic cynical voice that he uses, that he thinks my father is dying. This was before the parking lot scene. My brother seems to be trying to escalate an emotional breakdown in me.
A person just doesn't tell another person that someone is dying in that sort of way.

Someday those two kids are going to be mature enough to understand what alcholism and drug addiction and abuse is or they will become abusive alcoholics themselves. I don't think those two kids will know about their grandmother's narcissism though.
Their grandmother flits around occupying herself with unimportant things but she is always too busy to focus on any real concerns.
I don't understand her interest in those two kids at all. If she cared she would notice that their alcoholic father passes out on the floor at bedtime- this was before the blow-out in the parking lot. The night that he was passed out on the floor I locked the door to the room I was sleeping in because I don't feel safe around him.

I just had to come here and write this out. Thank god I have read about narcissism and alcoholism and codependency and have self-analyzed myself to pulp otherwise I think I would have a total emotional breakdown. I lost my cool and calm and dignity and I said some profane words to my n-mother -but I'm not a total panic-attacking basket case at least not today. I guess my only triumph after all my reading and processing is that I can say "This is crazy-making, this is out of control, I can't think clearly because of what is going on, I have to get away from this."

The part that I have difficulty with is that my mother tells me that I'm a " cold hearted-pathetic-miserable person". When I tell her that my brother is an out of control alcoholic drinking out of her refrigerator, she then just continues to tell me that it's my fault for setting him off.

He yells at his kids also when he doesn't need too. I just don't understand how my mother can be proud of the family that she has created.

One day my youngest nephew was crying, by brother and mother go into the room where the kid is. My brother is yelling in a mean tone to the kid "stop crying", "Stop crying", "stop crying"... and he just wails louder. So my brother and mother come out and tell me accusingly that the kid is going crazy because I took one kid for a walk and not the other one. The older boy said he wanted to go for a walk and the younger one did not. (I had already taken the younger one for a walk the prior day). So I go into the room where the kid is crying and my brother calls in after me in this snotty-teenage-alcoholic type voice "don't go in there". I go in anyways, I bend down, I rub the his back and I ask him if he is feeling upset because he feels left out because he didn't come with us on a walk, he says "no that's no even it"- he explains to me how he saw the seashells that his older brother had and he wants some too. I tell him how there are still  a lot more seashells on the beach, in fact even bigger ones then we brought back. He stops crying and he asks me where is the exact location of the biggest seashell. I tell him the location of the big seashells. I tell him that he will get the chance to go down and find some shells also. After this conversation he has stopped crying and he pops up immediately off the floor and runs out of the room.

My brother trys to tell me how parenting is harder then it looks. All I can think is that it's a lame-ass loser excuse. My brother is on disability, he doesn't do anything all day except for sit around and drink and chew his nicotine gum that smears his face yellow, he complains how he can't get a girlfriend because every single woman in his town is ugly, every last one of them. My brother tells me that he is receiving money to take 2 classes at a community college, he tells me that last quarter he got a D and an F and he blew up and yelled at one of his instructors. (he is a full grown adult). He tells me how he got all of his school books for $10.00, reading between the lines, what he is saying is that he had school money left over for his addictions.

My n-mother says "he's doing really good, he is getting his life on track, he is taking college classes, he gets to see his children on the weekends".

I personally find my mother's denial to be crazy making. That she conjures up a fantasy version of reality.

My brother is a horrible role model for those children.

My brother gets on these alcoholic rants about women and he says how some woman he dated was THE biggest b*tch he ever met, the biggest b*tch. And he says this in front of his kids, the kids are sensitively picking up everything. He says "the kids aren't even listening".
My brother says how his ex-wife's father has all these investments and how the man is cheap. My alcoholic brother told me when he married his exwife that her father was wealthy and how he would be rich when the man died, and now that he is divorced from her he is angry because he seems to think he is should be entitled to her father's money. Then a few hours later my brother goes on this rant about how he can't get a girlfriend because he doesn't have a money and a car and that it's disgusting how women only want money. My brother lost his license because of DUI's.

It seems to me that so many people have some sort of issues. My whole life I have always wanted to have a functional life, I feel like I have had moments where things are going well for myself but I have never felt like I have left the disfunction behind and made a success out of my own life.
I'm just so thankful that my brother lives in a different state without a car.

My alcoholic brother emailed me a few months prior to the white-trash-domestic-violence commercial scene that happened in the parking lot. In the email he said to me that he was worried about me because I don't have much to say to him and he told me that because I'm not very communicative with him that I should go see a psychiatrist and get put on antidepressants.

That phrase of "you should get psychiatric help" is now a comment that I have heard from my co-dependent-enabling-narcisist mother and my addicted brother.

Throughout my I have seen therapists about 8 of them. I have never been diagnosed with anything serious, they tell me that my brother is an alcoholic, that I personally have issues with depression, that my family of origin is not supportive.

Ok, I think I am done writing this out. Thanks to this board and Dr. Grossman for having this place for me to write this.
Sometimes people ask me why I write, I write it out because during the whole emotional crazy making I start to feel disoriented and out of control. By writing it out I can slowly process what is going on, or attempt to and find some personal equilibrium.

There is a voice inside of me that has to defend over and over "I'm not the cause of the alcoholism and disfunction" "I'm not crazy, and I'm not the miserable, hideous person my mother says I am."

I'm thankful for the fact that my brother's blow out was in a public place and there were people inside the building who heard him screaming and noticed what was going on, I needed that feedback from them that let me know how out of control the behavior was. I needed that witnessing. My n-mother has always given me abusive feedback, in her world that behavior is normal and acceptable.

My mother use to have an old boyfreind who would get drunk and blow up in crazy-making fits and now my brother has taken over that role I guess.
My mother always use to blame me, and I keep coming back to that point over and over in my mind how I'm bad and the cause.
Some part of me has heard this so many times from my mother and feels weak. The other part of me has studied the issues.

There is definitely alcoholism in my family and my relatives accomodate it and condone it. My aunt (n-mother's sister) picked up my brother from the airport and dropped him off. Everyone of my relatives knows that my brother is an alcoholic but they don't seem to care. My aunt and mother grew up with alcoholic parents so I guess they try to please the alcoholic.

I'm so tired, I already had a lot going on without having to go through that situation. I'm worn out of the over-all emotional toll of having such disorganized, denial-using relatives. I have ended up being rather lonely and alienated because I have distanced myself from this as much as possible but the result is I don't have a family.

My mother is angry if I don't contact her. When I am near the relatives I'm on the receiving end of verbal and emotional abuse. I've already been through the emotional ups and downs so much that it doesnt seem as bad in a way, but it still is, deep down inside I think of all the good things I've missed out on in life. I think about how I was robbed of love and a good quality upbringing. My parents would deny that but I see it now with my nephews.

The thing about my mother brushing her pet dog's teeth but the children not having an adult encouraging them to do their toothbrushing at night blows me away. ----------------------------WHAT IS THIS????----------------------------------------------
It's like the pet takes the position of a favored child..........it's just so weird......?

It seems like a little thing, but it's just so weird and it's reminiscent of my childhood. I had severe asthma as a kid that was exacerbated by my mother's smoking, her boyfriends smoking and my brother's smoking indoors as well as the pet cats that were indoors that I was allergic too. I was on steriod inhalers and various pills that made me feel weird, as a kid I was hospitalized for asthma and bed-riden for months with respiretory problems.  My mother would not get rid of the pet cat or stop smoking indoors and denied that there was anything she could have done to help. She said she was just powerless to fix anything. My mother and brother and other relatives told me that I was crazy when I was a kid and pretending to be sick. My brother use to say to me "your faking it".

I think about how much effort I have put into working through the clouds of family denial and all the emotional stress that I went through when I was younger due to the sick-distorted-feedback I was given that made me think my perceptions and feelings were wrong and the disfunction was right.

I think about all the acting out and controlling and neglect- I think about how all of this energy could be channeled more positively but it isnt.

I think about how much better life COULD be if only people would start acting differently.

I don't have respect for these people. I think about how my brother rants and raves and it freaks people out. He is controlling and he gets power out of it but I have no respect for him. I can't stand him and even though his kids are fun, I don't ever want to see or hear about his family again.

My mother minimizes, and denys and minimizes and denys so much.. I cant stand her. Then she wants to talk to me about minutia and she gets angry with me and says I'm rude RUDE and disrespectful if I don't PLAY along with her game.








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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2010, 05:51:51 PM »
Continued: So the messages that my n-mother has given to me at the end of all of this is: I'm rude, disrespectful, miserable, mentally unstable, the cause of my brother's rage, and I'm cold hearted and hurtful, my mother says I bring the worst out in people.

I think my mother must be doing some sort of projecting. It's almost like she is a twin head of the alcoholic. My brother is the alcoholic-drug-addict in the situation. It seems to me that she is projecting his qualities onto me- something that the alcoholic person would normally do themselves, it's like she is part of my brother's psyche and instead of him projecting she is projecting for him.

You know what, I'm not a perfect person but I just don't think that person she is describing is me at all. I don't think she can see me clearly because she is in some disfunctional fantasy land. If I don't play the role that she wants me to play in the family (that includes being a victim of alcoholic verbal abuse)- then she verbally abuses me. My mother wants me to be in the role of a codependent victim of an alcoholic.

The best thing that could happen in my life is that I somehow develop a good support network so I can get further and further away from these people.

Ok, I have written it out, it's a lot but I need to do it. I lose my sense of reality around these people and after a blow-out event it takes a considerable about of thinking about what happened. I also start thinking about the situation over and over, I think it's the stress and anxiety, I think that it's because I'm just trying to resolve something. Ok, I can start to let it go now. I see how badly I need to put my energy into my own business. All the drama and yelling disrupts me and I start focusing on the alcoholic and the N.

I don't like the weird confused feeling I have when my n-mother says these things about me, it's a barrage of irrational accusations she makes about my personality.

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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2010, 07:08:05 PM »
I think you're right on the mark with developing an outside system of family and support, MB.

There aren't any solutions for your family dysfunction, at least nothing you can do about it. 

It's not fair your family drains you and doesn't support you.  It's non-sensical, and it's crazy making.

It's not fair your brother's kids are being raised without structure and care...... that they're being raised by an alcoholic who can't care properly for them.

It's not fair that your family is in denial and enabling your brother's alcoholism, but doing nothing to help your nephews. 

It's also not fair that you're being scapegoated in the family, but there it is.

The truth and I don't believe it's going to change.

I think Mudpuppy made a suggestion years ago on the board.....

he said we shouldn't waste time trying to make sense of something that will never make sense.

Personally, I'm all for rolling around in pain and unfairness, at least till we're sick to death of thinking about it. 

The goal being understanding and acceptance, not making sense, of the situation.

 If I can't make peace with the facts, I find myself in the very real danger of eternal navel gazing, and that won't do.

You seem poised to make that leap, is why I brought it up ((Muffinbuster)).

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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2010, 07:31:18 PM »
Personally, I'm all for rolling around in pain and unfairness, at least till we're sick to death of thinking about it.  

The goal being understanding and acceptance, not making sense, of the situation.

 If I can't make peace with the facts, I find myself in the very real danger of eternal navel gazing, and that won't do.

You seem poised to make that leap, is why I brought it up ((Muffinbuster)).

Mo2

Mo2:
I don't see it as "rolling around in pain and unfairness". I write on this board because it's a useful tool for me, and this is how I use the board. It's possible that someone out there may find something useful in my stories even if it's not meaningful to you.

For me personally, I find it helpful to write about my experiences and I don't categorize it as "eternal navel gazing". It does DO something for me. I do need to understand the dynamics that I'm a part of in order to not be drawn endlessly into these situations. As I stated in the first post, over the years the small triumphs I have had in my own personal emotional wellbeing has had something to do with introspection even if the introspection doesn't change the situation or the people, I believe self-reflection and study leads to self-awareness and it's part of breaking the cycle of disfunction.  

I need to write because of my personal experience of being "Voiceless".
In fact I love writing. Writing is like a friend to me.

I personally would encourage people to write about their experiences and find their voice in the midst of chaos.  8)



 




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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2010, 08:53:30 PM »
http://www.athealth.com/Practitioner/particles/Guest_GersabeckNJ.html

Quote from above article:
"Narcissistic satisfaction and power is the all-important common denominator in substance and non-substance addictions. One way to understand a strong and progressed substance dependency is to see that it both represents and fuels an unconscious, compulsive, and destructive quest for unconditional love."

statement by psychologist Charles Hampden-Turner in his book "Maps of The Mind:"--

"Much as wine symbolizes communion, the alcoholic has taken the symbol for the reality and uses drinking as a substitute for the relaxation, fusion, surrender and security of deep personal relationships."


----My older nephew was standing in the kitchen and said out of the blue to his grandmother (my n-mother): "I wish there was enough love in the world for everybody, I wish there was enough love for every single day and for everybody." This is from the same kid that wouldnt make eye contact with anyone for a period of time according to my aunt who is a school teacher.

If my n-mother wasn't there reacting to him as if it was a cutesy comment I would have asked him more about what he was thinking and feeling. I would ask him about when he feels loved and when he doesn't feel loved, I would be curious to know if how the kids experience and interpret their life, if they just accept it as normal or if they have some understanding of something being "off".  

Seems sick to me that that my mother's behavior has probably been a big contributing factor to my brother's alcoholism and then the grandkid clings to the n-grandmother (my n-mother).

It's as if the lack of love is what bonds the family together rather then love.
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2010, 09:03:39 PM »
Dear Muffin,

Your story was so clearly presented in a calm, objective voice.  I do not see your story as rolling around in pain or whatever. Good for you for sharing your story. This is so important, not only for you, but for me too. The characters are a bit different and the situations change but the basic theme is the same. This sharing is so much a part of finding your voice. It helps me know that I am not alone in having a family that seems designed to destroy certain members.

I am amazed you are still standing after all the abuse and hysteria. The whole story of the visit shows how helpless anyone is in changing anyone else. You acted like a sane, kind person in hell. Definitely a no win situation.  You are not the only one who does not have a support system. It sure helps and I am working on developing healthier relationships. I just end up feeling like I've been through the blender after family visit.

As for rolling around in pain........ I am sort of speechless. There is just no way you could escape being in pain with a mother and brother like that and coming out of denial is horribly painful.  I turn to my family in the hope that things have changed but they don't change.  Maybe for short periods of time but inevitably I am kept in my place as a loser.

I really appreciated the full version of what happened on your visit. There is so much there. You can see how the children were treated and it is probable that is how you were treated too. The miracle is that you have grown up and sought professional help and education about your childhood and its legacy.  Going back to the family for love and support is like sticking your hand in the fire. Because love does not live there. But it is really really hard to abandon the family completely.

I am glad you shared your story. I will say more if you want me to talk about any part of the story that is bugging you. Trust your instincts, Muffin,  they sound right on.  The toothbrush part was a microcosm for the whole sorry mess.  Very powerful denial, manipulation, disregard for children, selfishness etc. You were a scapegoat in this situation and wearing these projections is powerful. Somehow you were to blame for whatever went wrong. This is so unfair. I am glad to see that you give the projections  back to who they belong to.

I hope you don't have to see these people for a very long time. It is just so damaging and you deserve to be treated with love and respect.

Blessings to you Muffin, and keep writing. I am listening and I want to hear about you and your feelings.

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2010, 09:07:54 PM »
Hi Muffin,

Came across this on the web when I was reading about N friend who had/has a pill addiction.
In her family as a child there was alcoholism and in her marriage (alcoholism, her ex and pills herself) and then her children living with it through it.  The children were removed and since then F has cleaned up his act.  The difference between the addictions was.....he can love.

I'm not sure if she is clean but I do know that if she has recoverd or in recovery that the Nism still remains. 

Thought you would be interested so here is the link

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-tian-dayton/narcissism-in-a-bottle-th_b_249418.html

Love Deb

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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2010, 09:12:10 PM »
Everyone,

I think being told to quit having contact with family and stopping navel gazing is akin to asking a battered woman why do you keep going back? Just give yourself a kick in the butt.

This kind of judgmental attitude towards others on their healing journey is sadly misplaced.  I come from a different background in working with survivors of abuse. Let them tell their story, let people share their stories. Try not to judge. Support the places in a person where there is strength and don't beat them down where they are vulnerable.

I have felt the lash a few times on the board myself. It is not helpful. Not for me.

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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2010, 08:59:07 AM »
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The best thing that could happen in my life is that I somehow develop a good support network so I can get further and further away from these people.

I second this decision! I think you are at a good place now to do this. You're fully conscious of how sick those kinds of relationships are; and how hurtful. You won't rationalize accepting this in new relationships, simply for the sake of the connection.

As far as the confusion you described and being falsely blamed for the real actions, behavior, and neglect/denial of the other "characters" in your story (all combined with the illusory/delusionary belief that somehow they can read your mind, know what you feel, and know you better than you yourself do)... this is a common subterfuge, weapon or defense mechanism used to make themselves appear not in the wrong; not accountable or responsible - to themselves and anyone else they can convince. It's a flimsy magic trick of mental/emotional sleight of hand.

From what happened, it seems to me they are the cold-hearted, pathetic ones who need psychiatric help. And even then, I am not sure how successful it would be, you know? I do know, that you are allowed to care about how awful it is even while understanding that you aren't the person responsible for trying to find a remedy... because your first "loyalty" needs to be to yourself. That's not N; that's more like duty, responsibility. That's one of the things that a lot of us weren't taught - just like toothbrushing.

Now that you've chosen a destination, good luck on your journey - and please do update us on how it's going! Please don't hesitate to ask, if you need help or companionship along the way, too.

Wishing you many good things and delightful discoveries --
Success is never final, failure is never fatal.

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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2010, 12:15:43 PM »
Hi Muffin,

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My whole life I have always wanted to have a functional life, I feel like I have had moments where things are going well for myself but I have never felt like I have left the disfunction behind and made a success out of my own life.

This really resonated with me and so I wanted you to know that by taking the time to post your story and your thoughts, you have helped me.  Thankyou.


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The best thing that could happen in my life is that I somehow develop a good support network so I can get further and further away from these people.


I'm wondering if it might help to consider doing it in reversed order?  What if you just get further and further away from these people and work on finding ways to help yourself develop a good support network, as you go?   The reason I suggest this is because even though a good support system is helpful, I'm thinking being around this chaotic mess is causing harm upon harm upon harm, maybe?   At least, you would be away from the chaos and abuse, which would help improve your spirits, I bet, and that would help you away from feeling depressed, which would help you to feel more energy for going where you want to go?

The N plan/message involves convincing you that you are so despicable/despised/unworthy/unlovable that you must remain part of the N-mess, in order to simply survive.   It's an attempt to .....let's call it.... passively terrorize you into loyalty.  :twisted:

I love the way you have listed everything that's happened so clearly and with such a sane voice and I love your inner voice that keeps telling you that this is wrong/crazy/abusive and you need to get away.  Listen to that voice! 

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There is a voice inside of me that has to defend over and over "I'm not the cause of the alcoholism and disfunction" "I'm not crazy, and I'm not the miserable, hideous person my mother says I am."

What that voice says is all so true Muffin.  Those are all lies that your mother is projecting on you.

Please also tell yourself positive stuff like:

"I am a good person.  I can think of many examples of when I was kind to others.  I am worthy and lovable.  I have survived thus far and I will continue.  I will distance myself from this chaos.  I will leave the dysfunction behind and continue making a success of my life.  I will find a good support system."
Etc.

It's so important, imho.

I hope this helps and if not, pitch it to the wind!

Sela


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Re: (Meeting nephews) /My N-mother and alcoholic brother and his kids
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2010, 01:00:34 PM »
Muffin???? Are you there???

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RE: Seastorm
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2010, 03:18:44 PM »
Muffin???? Are you there???

Sea

Yes, I'm here, thank you for asking and thank you for your response. - I only have occasional access to my internet service.

I just needed to come here and decompress but besides that I'm ok at the moment. I just take it all day by day, moment by moment.

My brother that flipped out will be going back home in a few days and he will be out of the state. He is not really a threat to me- it's just that it took me a little off guard that after all these years of not seeing him things have stayed the same or gotten worse.
If anything, that whole scenario just reconfirmed to myself that I was and still am correct to distance myself.
I actually had quite a bit of sadness or pity for my brother but after this I think I'm really just disgusted- yet I don't think I ever made the strong connection between my brother's issues and my mother issues but I just saw it with my own two eyes.

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Re: Seastorm
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2010, 03:24:41 PM »
Dear Muffin,

You are not the only one who does not have a support system. It sure helps and I am working on developing healthier relationships. I just end up feeling like I've been through the blender after family visit.

Sometimes I do think that I am the only person who doesn't have a support system. But I think you are correct, that many people probably struggle with this at certain times in their lives, that some people have an easier time developing a support system.

I think I beat myself up for not having a better support system.

And it is true that I still call my mother at times, like a few days ago when I was at the hospital and in a lot of pain, my mother works nearby so I called her because I don't have a spouse or someone else that would come- and she did come begrudgingly.

I think that I have always thought if I could just be independent enough then I would never need anyone to help me ever. I have been quite independent most of my life in many ways- but there are times when I just need someone else, another person to be there.

I think that is normal. I use-to think I was weak or something for that but people who have good non-crazy support systems don't think of themselves as being weak for asking for help when they need it.





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Re: Sela
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2010, 03:46:26 PM »
Hi Muffin,

...................The N plan/message involves convincing you that you are so despicable/despised/unworthy/unlovable that you must remain part of the N-mess, in order to simply survive.   It's an attempt to .....let's call it.... passively terrorize you into loyalty.  :twisted:

Sela




Thank you Sela for the insight.
I wonder how much I learned to be isolated as a kid- and if that still contributes to my challenges with having a good support network as an adult.






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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2010, 03:54:23 PM »
Now that you've chosen a destination, good luck on your journey - and please do update us on how it's going! Please don't hesitate to ask, if you need help or companionship along the way, too.

Wishing you many good things and delightful discoveries --

Thank you, I need to work hard to keep myself on track (focus on my own journey) and not get derailed.

After a couple of days with them, I am all of a sudden so angry that I'm yelling at my mother and I start swearing and I start acting crazy...and then I have to pull the reigns and go whooah....way WAY off track. My own anger and frustration level escalates and then I start behaving in a way I normally don't- and don't want to. So after my mother is saying these bad things about me, I get so frustrated after hearing that it's as if I have confirmed what she has said about me. BUT....I have read about this in other people's stories and I know that I am reacting to a situation and that I don't normally behave that way.....that I'm just being pushed past my limit of what I can tolerate and my buttons are being pushed.

Yes, I need to focus on some simple clear goals for myself that are not related to the relatives.

Honestly- as difficult as the situation is- there are times when I do get some sort of support from my n-mother no matter how inadequate it is- I don't see myself cutting her off at this time in my life- the reason being that I do get some need met even if it is not ideal. It's not really what I would choose if I had better options.

In the past I have worked hard with my n-mother through communication telling her that I don't want to be dragged into my brothers life by her. I have told her that the less my brother factors into the situation the better my relationship is with her.

I don't have any hopes of a real relationship with my mother though I got over that a long time ago.
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