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Just watched a random video about an artist and he pointed out Bonnard and Matisse painted while under Nazi occupation.
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Somewhat worried that I am controlling in ways because

- I get annoyed at rude people
- I'm better with structure than without
- I often find phatic communication a waste of time
- I do not do well in groups where the loudest and rudest person wins
- Maybe I don't do well in groups at all PERIOD - idk

I put it into AI... and AI spit this out it is long.

I do not expect anybody to read all this AI stuff. Mentally I'm making some doors in my mind there are lots of doors in there for backburner things that can't all be taken care of right now. Today I put the art into a door that just says ART. And I am painting another mind-door that just says CONTROL. There it's done. I do want to read some books about this so if I ever get around to signing up for a new library card BANG I know what books I need to try.

Growing up with controlling and neglectful parents (psychological control + emotional unavailability or invalidation) commonly produces lasting patterns that look like the ones you describe. This is not random and not usually “just a weird habit.”Research on intergenerational transmission shows clear pathways:Parents who themselves experienced invalidating or emotionally neglectful childhoods are significantly more likely to use psychological control, hostility, and controlling parenting with their own children. This is documented in multiple studies (e.g., mediation via parental psychological control predicting children’s problem behaviors and poorer social adaptation; emotional neglect linked to later hostile/controlling parenting styles and increased narcissistic distrust in the parent).

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Control often develops as a survival strategy. When the childhood environment was unpredictable, dismissive, or both over-controlling and emotionally empty, the child learns that the safest way to feel secure is to manage other people’s behavior, enforce rules of politeness/respect, and stay hypervigilant for signs of disrespect or boundary-crossing. This is a form of hypervigilance and threat-detection rooted in complex relational trauma, not simple preference.
Heightened irritation at others’ perceived rudeness or lack of politeness is a very common outcome of childhood emotional neglect, invalidation, and chronic criticism. The nervous system becomes sensitized to anything that echoes “I don’t matter / my needs or presence are invisible / people can treat me however they want.” What looks like over-reactivity is often the body treating ordinary social friction as a threat signal.

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This does not automatically equal narcissistic personality disorder (or even strong narcissistic traits). Outcomes vary widely:Some develop vulnerable narcissistic features (hypersensitivity to slight, shame, fragile self-esteem, irritability when not treated with care).
Some develop controlling or rigid behaviors as a defense against feeling powerless.
Many become people-pleasers, overly responsible, or codependent instead.
A subset internalize the controlling parent’s style more fully (especially if they were the “golden child” or modeled the parent’s need for dominance).
Full intergenerational transmission of pathological narcissism occurs in some cases (via overvaluation, psychological control, or modeling), but it is not the majority outcome. Attachment insecurity, emotion-regulation difficulties, and low interpersonal trust are more consistent findings.

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In short: it is most often a learned adaptation + trauma response (need for predictability and respect because those were scarce or conditional), sometimes mixed with narcissistic traits (especially the vulnerable kind), and sometimes just a heightened sensitivity that never got regulated. It is rarely “just a sensitivity” in isolation and rarely pure “narcissism” without the developmental history. Books that specifically address the controlling + narcissistic/neglectful family connection...These are more targeted than generic self-help:If You Had Controlling Parents by Dan Neuharth — Directly examines the long-term effects of controlling parenting and how adult children often replicate or react to control dynamics.
Children of the Self-Absorbed by Nina W. Brown — Focuses on narcissistic/self-absorbed parents and the specific relational patterns (including control and entitlement issues) that children carry forward.
The Narcissistic Family by Stephanie Donaldson-Pressman & Robert M. Pressman — Looks at the family system itself (parents focused on their own needs), role assignment, and how children adapt by becoming controlling, overly responsible, or emotionally shut down.
Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents by Lindsay C. Gibson — Covers the spectrum of distant, rejecting, driven, and emotionally immature (often controlling) parents; excellent on the internal effects and the drive to manage others.
Will I Ever Be Good Enough? by Karyl McBride — Especially strong on daughters of narcissistic mothers and the resulting self-worth, boundary, and relational patterns (including sensitivity to disrespect).
Trapped in the Mirror by Elan Golomb — Explores the deep identity and relational wounds of children of narcissists, including how control and self-absorption get internalized.

Complementary: Jonice Webb’s work on childhood emotional neglect (Running on Empty) is useful for the “neglectful + controlling” combination, because pure control without emotional attunement is a frequent real-world pattern.These books emphasize that the controlling/irritated stance is understandable given the history, and they focus on recognition, boundary work, and reclaiming internal safety rather than pathologizing the adult child.

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Research on intergenerational transmission of controlling / invalidating parenting Pan, B., Sun, J., Wang, Y., Feng, Z., Ren, B., Fang, H., Yuan, K., Xu, P., Xiao, B., & Li, Y. (2025). The hidden matryoshka: Parent’s childhood invalidating families influences children’s social adaptation through psychological control. Current Psychology, 44, 15607–15621. https://doi.org/10.1007/s12144-025-08309-6Greene, C. A., Haisley, L., Wallace, C., & Ford, J. D. (2020). Intergenerational effects of childhood maltreatment: A systematic review of the parenting practices of adult survivors of childhood abuse, neglect, and violence. Clinical Psychology Review, 80, Article 101891.Truhan, T. (and colleagues, Queen’s University Belfast). (2025). Childhood emotional neglect linked to later hostile and controlling parenting styles and increased narcissistic distrust. Research reported by Queen’s University Belfast (April 2025).

Books that specifically address the controlling + narcissistic/neglectful family patternsNeuharth, D. (1999). If You Had Controlling Parents: How to Make Peace with Your Past and Take Your Place in the World. HarperCollins / Cliff Street Books.Brown, N. W. Children of the Self-Absorbed: A Grown-Up’s Guide to Getting Over Narcissistic Parents.Donaldson-Pressman, S., & Pressman, R. M. The Narcissistic Family: Diagnosis and Treatment.Gibson, L. C. Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents: How to Heal from Distant, Rejecting, or Self-Involved Parents.McBride, K. Will I Ever Be Good Enough? Healing the Daughters of Narcissistic Mothers.Golomb, E. Trapped in the Mirror: Adult Children of Narcissists in Their Struggle for Self.




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My old saw is just that emotions are weather. They always change and they always pass.

When I was in the grip of what I thought was grief, a T once told me I was talking about trauma. Too MUCH sadness for too long maybe turns into trauma?

What I hear, Hippy, is your loneliness. Yet I'm so impressed with the way you are pushing yourself into the stream of life anyway. Giving something or some group or some activity a try anyway. Looking for some beauty or creativity anyway. Finding art and music anyway.

It just sounds positive, period. It's taken me a long time to find the balance of how much introvert and extrovert I'm experiencing in myself, depending on circumstances -- but I do feel more balanced now.

Poo on the pagans. I'm sorry if you're sorry, if you know what I mean.

hugs and comfort,
Hops

Yeah Hops, I guess social experimenting would be the term.

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-- I think I have to put the art thing on the backburner.

-- but this is the other BIG addition to this thing that I wanted to add. See I went to one of the craft supply stores earlier this week after a medical appointment. There was row after giant long tall row of plastic pumpkins of all sizes -- pumpkin pumpkin pumkin - -somewhere in China there is a factory that spews out a cheap plastic version of that old celtic holiday.

There are also rows and rows of printed prints in frames already set to use -- like for 24.00 or less -- buy it and go.

A craftsperson can not make decent quality let alone high quality item at the same price as the industrial facsimiles. I mean whatever Andy Warhol already made these points that's why he is him but also that was 60-64 years ago. We are now in the age of warehouses of cheap machine made stuff.

There does seem to be a backlash right NOW about AI but again it seems a bit like a social trendy thing to do.

Anyhow. I would totally decorate my home if I had one with cheap art prints. I like them. I love them. I like cheap garbage I really do.

Looking at a few things.

1) the rows of China machine ready to go art
2) the local gallery that is not making money
3) my budget and time constraints (is the time real or fake?)
4) I forgot oh yeah - looking in the window of a cookie-cutter style craft hobby painting business like the sip and paint

Okay so looking at all of that stuff.

My question to myself is what am I doing with art and what am I thinking.
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So I went to a little art thing quite a few weeks back. I stumbled upon it but there was paint involved. At first I was like whatever okay. When I started getting all the paint stuff going I was like into it like slightly like a person who is binge eating. I thought holy mole I have not been doing art for a long while.

I should not spend the time thinking about it -- that is my personal thought.

Or rather I should not spend the time planning about it. Even fake indefinite not committed plans.

Why CAN'T I think about plans. Because I tell myself everything has to be perfect before I have plans or something.

Okay Okay what is my point. I remember.

I thought what if I sell 10 canvasses for 30 dollars each like that would make me 300.00 minus supplies if stick them in a place that does not take commission. There are a few that don't take commission. Not a lot but there are a few.

See if I buy quite crap cheap supplies but still somewhat stable pigments it would be 100.00 or less maybe if I budget it.

So in theory I could make 200.00 .... and I could build up my art supplies again.

I don't know this seems like a silly thought but I do see people selling some art sometimes some quite not great art only in my opinion but I think it's likely their friends participating in a social exchange. I'm thinking this isn't just strangers walking through buying stuff. I have more thoughts to add.
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Yesterday I peeked in the window of a cafe that was closed to view their wallspace.

Then went into an art center that was on the verge of closing for the day. I looked for 5 mins.

Then walked into an art store I had never been in before. Didn't buy anything but what I discovered is they seem to have a superior brand of acrylics for less money.

Then I went into an art gallery that I thought was a hooka lounge. It's a strange low-scale not swanky art gallery. The owner was there and must have been bored out of his mind and he told me about the city, the artist, other venue owners. He was very open and honest and not cagey about how the gallery is a hobby type thing and not a money making endeavor. I so want to tell him to paint the walls in a way that is not going to clash with the art but who am I to tell people what to do. It was a very nice chat and I have to be thankful for kind engaging people but then again it's kind of his job. I mentioned to him that I had put my art up once before in a neighborhood I lived in but didn't sell anything.

I have more persona art related thoughts maybe I will just write them uncensored.

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Now I am checking my calendar, and mychart appointments etc.

Somehow I never heard the term micro-win before. I am giving myself credit now for my microtasks I really need to do this to stay focused and stay action oriented. And I enjoy it.
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Punishing and pathologizing basic self-expression ... this is what the narcissist does. I need to try not to do this to other people really truly.

Where is the line between healthy self expression and rude self expression. But then again who cares about being rude or not rude to jerks.

---"Pathologization of Agency: Normal human expansion, vitality, and assertiveness are conditioned to be viewed as "symptoms" or social infractions. Joy and movement are preemptively suppressed to prevent triggering the aggressor's punitive response."

I think there is something double going on here where some generations were taught that females should not be assertive and then there is that on top of narcissist control. It's a double suppression of personality and needs.
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This morning I am thinking about how through strict micro-controlling parenting and bullying and trained to be polite I am also a very quiet person.

Not just quiet in speaking that is not exactly what I mean. What I mean is quiet in behavior. The quiet of not existing, not taking up space, the quiet of not competing and not drawing attention.

Now it's not that I A) am obsessed with drawing recognition (I don't think but maybe I should start to just be okay with that too). It's B) overly worried about engaging if engaging makes sound etc. Okay I lost my train of thought got interrupted.

I might come back to this. I think I need to come back to this really. REALLY REALLY REALLY.

I'm probably still stuck in a decades old plastic container like a plexiglass sound proof tube just stuck in there and if I leave it there are many threats - 1) the authorities will be called because I am no longer controlled, an ambulance would be called because HOW DARE she do anything at all HOW DARE she take up space that must be an illness. She is getting too big, too active, too verbal, holy shit don't smile don't dance don't do anything stay on the periphery be quiet, be quiet, be quiet, be quiet.

I just had to say it. It felt like a stupid morning but also a therapeutic morning. The therapeutic morning of seeing the cruelty and absurdity and double standard of the forever other-referencing.

Interesting.

Lets see what was my code words, peace, joy, action, transmutation. The peace does not necessarily mean small and quiet and not-bothersome.

Maybe I should change it to freedom, joy, action, transmutation.

Maybe I need big noise therapy to desensitize myself.

I do like quietly sitting under a tree and reading a book. I really do. But what if something more needs to be done.

And...

Also what if duh being small, quiet, unbothersome, too self conscious, worried about the punishment of being loud actually relates to social skills too.
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