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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Anything again
« Last post by sKePTiKal on Today at 07:47:20 AM »Was that an AI conversation, Hippie?
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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Anything again
« Last post by Dirty Hippy on August 23, 2026, 11:19:57 PM »is this psychopathic thinking: "I'm ugly, stupid, poor and hence I do not want to have some pathetic brats that are losers like me" ---- "I am athletic, good looking rich and so it might be worth my time to breed" ---- ??? explain this
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Definition mismatch: Not psychopathy. True psychopathy involves a lack of empathy, manipulation, and disregard for the rights of others. This is an example of raw pessimism, low self-esteem contrasted with narcissism, and hyper-utilitarian reasoning applied to human reproduction.
First statement mechanism: Driven by severe internalized self-loathing, depression, and a protective mechanism (anti-natalism or fatalism) to prevent passing perceived suffering or genetic flaws to offspring.
Second statement mechanism: Driven by eugenicist logic, shallow materialism, and conditional self-worth where reproduction is viewed purely as a status symbol or a narcissistic vanity project rather than raising an independent human being.
Core psychological drivers: Both extremes reduce human value to transactional metrics (wealth, looks, capability) rather than intrinsic worth.
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poor people are not independent they do not own compounding wealth --- the are dependent on systems that dehumanize them ------- second question what causes a person to view everything as transactional and if they see the world this way are they in some way a slave?
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Causes of a transactional worldview:
Trauma and deprivation: Growing up in environments where survival depended strictly on scarce resources, conditional affection, or transactional safety.
Systemic conditioning: Living in hyper-capitalist systems that commodify relationships, labor, and personal worth.
Psychological defense mechanisms: Using transactional logic (cost-benefit analysis) to protect oneself from emotional vulnerability, rejection, or exploitation.
Are they a slave?
Yes, conceptually and psychologically. By reducing all human interaction and self-worth to utility, transactions, and metrics, they enslave themselves to external validation, fear of loss, and the very materialistic systems they might despise. True autonomy requires valuing things that have no price tag.
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everything has a price tag
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The economic reality: In a market-driven society, physical survival, resources, labor, and access to goods are strictly commodified, meaning nearly everything material carries a literal price tag.
The psychological trap: Believing that intangible things—such as intrinsic human worth, authentic love, loyalty, morality, or existential meaning—have a price tag reduces human existence entirely to a market exchange.
The consequence: Viewing non-material realities as commodities guarantees that relationships remain conditional and perpetual dissatisfaction persists, because true psychological freedom requires recognizing domains that cannot be bought or sold.
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Definition mismatch: Not psychopathy. True psychopathy involves a lack of empathy, manipulation, and disregard for the rights of others. This is an example of raw pessimism, low self-esteem contrasted with narcissism, and hyper-utilitarian reasoning applied to human reproduction.
First statement mechanism: Driven by severe internalized self-loathing, depression, and a protective mechanism (anti-natalism or fatalism) to prevent passing perceived suffering or genetic flaws to offspring.
Second statement mechanism: Driven by eugenicist logic, shallow materialism, and conditional self-worth where reproduction is viewed purely as a status symbol or a narcissistic vanity project rather than raising an independent human being.
Core psychological drivers: Both extremes reduce human value to transactional metrics (wealth, looks, capability) rather than intrinsic worth.
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poor people are not independent they do not own compounding wealth --- the are dependent on systems that dehumanize them ------- second question what causes a person to view everything as transactional and if they see the world this way are they in some way a slave?
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Causes of a transactional worldview:
Trauma and deprivation: Growing up in environments where survival depended strictly on scarce resources, conditional affection, or transactional safety.
Systemic conditioning: Living in hyper-capitalist systems that commodify relationships, labor, and personal worth.
Psychological defense mechanisms: Using transactional logic (cost-benefit analysis) to protect oneself from emotional vulnerability, rejection, or exploitation.
Are they a slave?
Yes, conceptually and psychologically. By reducing all human interaction and self-worth to utility, transactions, and metrics, they enslave themselves to external validation, fear of loss, and the very materialistic systems they might despise. True autonomy requires valuing things that have no price tag.
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everything has a price tag
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The economic reality: In a market-driven society, physical survival, resources, labor, and access to goods are strictly commodified, meaning nearly everything material carries a literal price tag.
The psychological trap: Believing that intangible things—such as intrinsic human worth, authentic love, loyalty, morality, or existential meaning—have a price tag reduces human existence entirely to a market exchange.
The consequence: Viewing non-material realities as commodities guarantees that relationships remain conditional and perpetual dissatisfaction persists, because true psychological freedom requires recognizing domains that cannot be bought or sold.
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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Anything again
« Last post by Dirty Hippy on August 23, 2026, 03:32:56 PM »So I have the Obama care thing and I used it to try physical therapy because why not in context of me not having insurance before. One of my jerk coworkers immediately quit working her PART TIME job the same day she confirmed her pregnancy lol so she could get free medical care while her husband runs his business.
The physical therapist I saw was kinda good maybe kinda half-assed but she sure liked to talk about sex a lot and I didn't bring that topic up. Is it narcissistic of me to want to complain about it. I complain a lot I really do. But she was telling me about her other patients sexual problems and with no identifying info I understand it's not technically a lapse of privacy but it still seemed weird to me.
She brought up perimenopause herself - I did not. I was glad she mentioned it actually because hormones do impact women's whole freaking body apparently even their eyes.
The thing is aging out of the female vag-rat race is kinda nice.
I'd like the world to be neutered for a while. Don't want to hear about it. Don't want to think about it.
I wish people would copulate in private. In a way due to cultural "openness" people are kinda projecting humping in some kinda social context.
So now I am wondering why the PT humped a really fat ex husband lol. How disgusting. Am I meant to be impressed with her. It's her fault that she forced TMI into a medical appointment. Not only that but she seemed reactive to people's opinions about obese-ness but I didn't bring it up.
Apparently it's okay for her to make my appointment about other people's sex lives and hers. But it's not okay for me to tell her how barfy it is to think of her humping her bag-of-fat ex husband. And she finally left him because he was no longer financially viable for her (truth will set us free from what?)
Sex is some kinda aesthetic goal
Sex is some kind of social function
Sex it's something to sell
Sex it's something to project
Sex it's something that makes people not better than every other mammal like rats and cats and dogs and bats
I want to be sexless for a while and if humans wanna brag about their hippopotamus sex lives during my expensive medical appointment which state tax payers are funding oh well I guess.
In a bad mood. I might go sit under a tree for a while not read a book. Or do I read a book.
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Gonna pack my bag and go out I guess.
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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Farm Journal - 2026
« Last post by sKePTiKal on August 23, 2026, 10:26:04 AM »It most certainly is life-threatening Hops.
Remember, I'm not taking SS. The amount I would receive is so low I couldn't survive on it. Not even pretend to. B, Hol and I would essentially be homeless if my business/financial accounts are breached and drained. That is income I need just to pay taxes for the business. Property taxes.
We don't live extravagantly; little travel, no fancy vehicles or even fancy interior design. We eat well, and are getting ready to stock the freezers with beef for the winter. We pay people to do needed maintenance, repair, or replace work here - but those projects are winding down.
Any hacker/scammer that knows any piece of my logins - can find the other piece and remove MY access to my online accounts and I don't want to have to learn how many ways I need to prove my identity to the bank to get it BACK.
It's so bad out in the cyberuniverse, that even the IRS and one of the state tax departments wouldn't even let me FILE my taxes, until I'd verfied ID with them - and that was a few years back. (And my suspicious mind wonders how many people had access to that info and also had malicious intent; there have been plenty convicted who worked for various levels of gov't).
I wish I could put this down to paranoia and being influenced by paranoid people, but that's no longer possible.
Remember, I'm not taking SS. The amount I would receive is so low I couldn't survive on it. Not even pretend to. B, Hol and I would essentially be homeless if my business/financial accounts are breached and drained. That is income I need just to pay taxes for the business. Property taxes.
We don't live extravagantly; little travel, no fancy vehicles or even fancy interior design. We eat well, and are getting ready to stock the freezers with beef for the winter. We pay people to do needed maintenance, repair, or replace work here - but those projects are winding down.
Any hacker/scammer that knows any piece of my logins - can find the other piece and remove MY access to my online accounts and I don't want to have to learn how many ways I need to prove my identity to the bank to get it BACK.
It's so bad out in the cyberuniverse, that even the IRS and one of the state tax departments wouldn't even let me FILE my taxes, until I'd verfied ID with them - and that was a few years back. (And my suspicious mind wonders how many people had access to that info and also had malicious intent; there have been plenty convicted who worked for various levels of gov't).
I wish I could put this down to paranoia and being influenced by paranoid people, but that's no longer possible.
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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Anything again
« Last post by Hopalong on August 22, 2026, 02:51:04 PM »Dang, girl, what was the book's title?
This could be big! Maybe we all need to read it! j/k
And what does the art poster look like?
How is your coffee?
Have you had a collapse-nap?
Love your microsteps, hope they keep adding up.
hugs
Hops
This could be big! Maybe we all need to read it! j/k
And what does the art poster look like?
How is your coffee?
Have you had a collapse-nap?
Love your microsteps, hope they keep adding up.
hugs
Hops
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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Anything again
« Last post by Dirty Hippy on August 22, 2026, 10:51:45 AM »Took a couple busses WAY out of my way. It was good and bad. And I am too tired to explain. I think I stood for a long time yesterday so my feet are tired. I don't know. It's everything. Haven't been able to open up the board for a few days it spins when I click on the tabs. So okay maybe I will just plan microsteps this morning. For now I might just drink my coffee.
I was given a free art poster by the curator of an estate. It's not fancy but I also have a free frame from a yard sale so I guess for the heck of it I will try to put it together. That is a morning project why not.
Need a shower there were plumbing issues.
Been thinking of calling therapist and making appt with her idk.
Yesterday I saw two people reading the same obscure book at different locations. Interesting.
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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Farm Journal - 2026
« Last post by Hopalong on August 21, 2026, 09:18:03 PM »WOTTTT?
Is "business or financial stuff" privacy, if breached, life threatening?
WHERE DO I SEND MY PEA SHOOTER?
I don't understand but am ready to.
Oh poop. So many people are vibrating until their eyebrows shift.
You are one of the SMARTEST people I know with their finger on the zeitgeist.
hugs
Hops
Is "business or financial stuff" privacy, if breached, life threatening?
WHERE DO I SEND MY PEA SHOOTER?
I don't understand but am ready to.
Oh poop. So many people are vibrating until their eyebrows shift.
You are one of the SMARTEST people I know with their finger on the zeitgeist.
hugs
Hops
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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Farm Journal - 2026
« Last post by sKePTiKal on August 19, 2026, 07:54:49 AM »I have a BOOK of PAPER that I WRITE my passwords in, Hops. So far tech can't snoop/steal that info. Which is about what things are coming to, across the board: pay in cash (no records of what you bought where or phone/address needed for delivery), drive/walk into bank for transactions, don't order anything online or over the phone. IE, pre-Sears-Roebuck days.
I made 1 decision about getting my "data profile" removed yesterday. There are a couple more I'm contemplating; one is "invisible" to me as far as hoops to jump through - the other will need writing down, as well. Compromise between being invisible/safe and still having some conveniences will need to be made.
"Air gapping" is a technique that I've relied on for decades. Doing different things on different machines - so the bits and pieces of info that make up one's "identity" can't be so easily combined, to steal identity. No banking on phone - EVER. Poor old phone isn't compatible with ATT's app that skims out spam/phishing calls & texts but I'm still researching how far I want to go on the phone side of things. NO syncing between machines! It's sold as convenience but that convenience benefits those selling/buying your data the most.
I'll stop before your eyes glaze over... and my brain starts to smoke & fizzle.
Of course, I've known for ages that there is no such thing as privacy onine. I just accepted it, and in the beginning, places that required one's info in order to make purchases, establish accounts, did try to protect that data. Then the large data breaches began; even the gov't has been hacked. But gradually - behind the scenes - that data became "monetized". Ads can gather online behavioral patterns even if you don't see or click on them - and that data is SOLD to be people who bedevil our lives; it's harassment at it's most benign and theft at the other extreme.
I was totally DONE with all this stuff when I retired almost 20 years ago. But apparently it's not done with me. So I'm fighting back, a bit. Most of what I think of as "privacy" hasn't been an issue, knowing who I shop from or what I buy. I don't care about anything except business/financial stuff. And as my life is designed, that can be life threatening to me.
Looks like it's going to cool off this week! I hope so, I'm over the fruit fly invasion and want all the bugs to start heading into their winter cessation. My inceniary curmudgeonly self will also begin to hibernate, gradually.
I made 1 decision about getting my "data profile" removed yesterday. There are a couple more I'm contemplating; one is "invisible" to me as far as hoops to jump through - the other will need writing down, as well. Compromise between being invisible/safe and still having some conveniences will need to be made.
"Air gapping" is a technique that I've relied on for decades. Doing different things on different machines - so the bits and pieces of info that make up one's "identity" can't be so easily combined, to steal identity. No banking on phone - EVER. Poor old phone isn't compatible with ATT's app that skims out spam/phishing calls & texts but I'm still researching how far I want to go on the phone side of things. NO syncing between machines! It's sold as convenience but that convenience benefits those selling/buying your data the most.
I'll stop before your eyes glaze over... and my brain starts to smoke & fizzle.
Of course, I've known for ages that there is no such thing as privacy onine. I just accepted it, and in the beginning, places that required one's info in order to make purchases, establish accounts, did try to protect that data. Then the large data breaches began; even the gov't has been hacked. But gradually - behind the scenes - that data became "monetized". Ads can gather online behavioral patterns even if you don't see or click on them - and that data is SOLD to be people who bedevil our lives; it's harassment at it's most benign and theft at the other extreme.
I was totally DONE with all this stuff when I retired almost 20 years ago. But apparently it's not done with me. So I'm fighting back, a bit. Most of what I think of as "privacy" hasn't been an issue, knowing who I shop from or what I buy. I don't care about anything except business/financial stuff. And as my life is designed, that can be life threatening to me.
Looks like it's going to cool off this week! I hope so, I'm over the fruit fly invasion and want all the bugs to start heading into their winter cessation. My inceniary curmudgeonly self will also begin to hibernate, gradually.
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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Farm Journal - 2026
« Last post by Hopalong on August 18, 2026, 09:06:20 PM »Oh, man. I'm so sorry you're going through this crap, Amber.
Makes my blood boil.
I think the right to privacy is one that most ordinary people don't ponder often, as long as life appears to work normally. Until it doesn't.
Mentally, I'm unprepared for anything but the simplest online logins (bank, health records, etc). And even keeping track of these is a whopping challenge for an aging and very ADD brain. Just today I had to change passwords for three key things I use online: two banks and my health record. It stressed me to the max and I worry how I'd manage in five or 10 years, when it's so hard right now (at 76).
I suppose we could just pave paradise and put up a data center. These behemoth polluters and waste foundtains are getting foisted on community after community...usually poor and/or rural ones. It's disgusting. Capitalism run absolutely amok. "Free" market my shiny behind; we and our planet are going to pay a huge price.
Cheerily,
Hops
Makes my blood boil.
I think the right to privacy is one that most ordinary people don't ponder often, as long as life appears to work normally. Until it doesn't.
Mentally, I'm unprepared for anything but the simplest online logins (bank, health records, etc). And even keeping track of these is a whopping challenge for an aging and very ADD brain. Just today I had to change passwords for three key things I use online: two banks and my health record. It stressed me to the max and I worry how I'd manage in five or 10 years, when it's so hard right now (at 76).
I suppose we could just pave paradise and put up a data center. These behemoth polluters and waste foundtains are getting foisted on community after community...usually poor and/or rural ones. It's disgusting. Capitalism run absolutely amok. "Free" market my shiny behind; we and our planet are going to pay a huge price.
Cheerily,
Hops
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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board / Re: Farm Journal - 2026
« Last post by sKePTiKal on August 17, 2026, 09:31:16 AM »The datacenters are just huge monoliths, securely guarded, sometimes a "farm" with multiple buildings. They'll just sit there, making noise, using water, demanding power and all the actions that might come of analyzing all that "data" will happen elsewhere in stuffy offices and boardrooms. It's the AI part of why datacenters are needed, that should concern people. AI hallucinates, lies and makes up facts; rewrites history, science AND math - to suit itself.
Don't get me started. It's a bad, Post-Apocalyptic fever dream. Fortunately, it's also a financial circle pyramid scheme - and it's based on debt - and the cracks are beginning to become chasms. A lot of people are going to lose money because they bought the marketing narrative and invested in it, driving share prices astronomically high.
My personal terrors started around the beginning of July. Spam phone call; phishing. Impersonating my bank's fraud dept. Caller did get one piece of info to add to his profile of me - but when I realized he was asking about my checking account and NOT my card; and he already knew my online username... I went full tactical, and immediately changed my username WHILE still on the phone, then hung up and changed my password. I'm now rotating an impossible to type comfortably combination of username/password on a regular basis. Yes, this lives on a post it in my password book and I have to look it up each time. Eventually, since this had happened to me at another bank, I realized that the only common piece of info/data was my phone number.
Changed the phone number from the one I'd used for over 20 years. It's helped - but that number is getting at least 4 spam calls a day. I just delete them and move on.
Every time I order something online, they REQUIRE a phone number to complete the order. I am finding that there are ways to protect one's number - still giving the vendor a number they can verify works - so how many places have sold my data to someone who sold my data and it got to the dark web or where ever else, these no-goodniks buy this info to persecute & rob us? LOL, it's funny/ironic, that I learned that bit of info from a hacker community.
Modern life increasingly REQUIRES us to perform functions online. So, a lot of my research involves how to stay safe/secure while doing so. Nothing is 100% guaranteed. Our personal contact info - addresses, phone numbers, etc are all publicly available online; remember the webpage "WhoIS?" from a couple decades ago? There are companies that will do their best to get that info removed. I haven't picked one or priced it yet. Yeah - it's a service.
I already practice (diligently) a lot of good security habits. But all this crap is changing VERY fast; as in every couple weeks. And I am facing the decision of weighing the risk of "task A" with the number of options I have outside tech/online and it's inconvenience, and choosing which way I want to do.
And the whole PITA that I feel I HAVE to do this at all... versus living my life with a reasonable assumption of data security. Remember when you weren't supposed to tell ANYONE your SS number? Now, the last 4 digits are all part of the security questions places use to verify your identity.
Might just be safer to NOT HAVE an identity, you know? LOL, in the techie, data sense.
Don't get me started. It's a bad, Post-Apocalyptic fever dream. Fortunately, it's also a financial circle pyramid scheme - and it's based on debt - and the cracks are beginning to become chasms. A lot of people are going to lose money because they bought the marketing narrative and invested in it, driving share prices astronomically high.
My personal terrors started around the beginning of July. Spam phone call; phishing. Impersonating my bank's fraud dept. Caller did get one piece of info to add to his profile of me - but when I realized he was asking about my checking account and NOT my card; and he already knew my online username... I went full tactical, and immediately changed my username WHILE still on the phone, then hung up and changed my password. I'm now rotating an impossible to type comfortably combination of username/password on a regular basis. Yes, this lives on a post it in my password book and I have to look it up each time. Eventually, since this had happened to me at another bank, I realized that the only common piece of info/data was my phone number.
Changed the phone number from the one I'd used for over 20 years. It's helped - but that number is getting at least 4 spam calls a day. I just delete them and move on.
Every time I order something online, they REQUIRE a phone number to complete the order. I am finding that there are ways to protect one's number - still giving the vendor a number they can verify works - so how many places have sold my data to someone who sold my data and it got to the dark web or where ever else, these no-goodniks buy this info to persecute & rob us? LOL, it's funny/ironic, that I learned that bit of info from a hacker community.
Modern life increasingly REQUIRES us to perform functions online. So, a lot of my research involves how to stay safe/secure while doing so. Nothing is 100% guaranteed. Our personal contact info - addresses, phone numbers, etc are all publicly available online; remember the webpage "WhoIS?" from a couple decades ago? There are companies that will do their best to get that info removed. I haven't picked one or priced it yet. Yeah - it's a service.
I already practice (diligently) a lot of good security habits. But all this crap is changing VERY fast; as in every couple weeks. And I am facing the decision of weighing the risk of "task A" with the number of options I have outside tech/online and it's inconvenience, and choosing which way I want to do.
And the whole PITA that I feel I HAVE to do this at all... versus living my life with a reasonable assumption of data security. Remember when you weren't supposed to tell ANYONE your SS number? Now, the last 4 digits are all part of the security questions places use to verify your identity.
Might just be safer to NOT HAVE an identity, you know? LOL, in the techie, data sense.