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Plucky

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« Reply #45 on: July 06, 2005, 05:53:31 PM »
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What struck me is that you've been seeing these cuts for a long time and accepted his explanations for them, as you say.  Is it possible that you accepted those reasons because it was too tough to deal with the feelings that come with the truth of the matter?

Actually, if my husband had not come out and told me he was cutting, I would still be accepting his explanations (the tool slipped!) and I would still be saying, "be more careful!".  I was so clueless.  I'd only heard of cutting in passing along the lines of teenaged girls and Princess Diana.  It never crossed my mind.  Maybe that is better, because my husband had to own up and seek help rather than me being aware and trying to push him.  BTW he is going to therapy now, has been once and plans to go again this week.

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This made me wonder if you H might have done the same thing with your stuff?  I wonder if what happened to you produces creepy crawly or whatnot feelings for him, that he just hasn't been plucky enough to allow himself to feel?  So, he denied what happened to you, wanted it brushed under the carpet, so to speak, to avoid feeling it?  Just a thought. 

GFN, I think you are on to something there.  I just don't know the reason.  Whether there is something in his past? Whether he just doesn't have the skills to 'solve' it so he doesn't want to be frustrated?  He once said he didn't want to know anything my nother had done, because he didn't want it to impact his opinion of and relationship with her.  (What about his relationship with me?)

I think I would have welcomed him owning up to some problems, instead of pretending that he was from such a perfect family and I was the crazy one.    We could have helped each other.  Instead, we just hurt each other and became more and more distant.

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Okay, so firstly I used to harm myself when I couldn't cope with the emotions that were going on in my life at the time. It was as if everything had gotten to be too much and by hurting myself I could find some kind of release. I never told anyone and kept it very private. I also never did any real damage. All the cuts would be very superficial. It was more the act of doing it that gave the release that helped me. I never did it for attention as your husband seems to be doing sometimes. I also never used it as a bargaining tool as he also seems to do.

First, Cadbury, thank you for sharing your experience.  It is so helpful.  You are so brave to reach out and offer this help.  I am beginning to understand cutting somewhat.
Was there ever a time when cutting did not bring that release?  When it was not enough?  What did you do then?

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I have spoken to other people who have self-harmed and it seems that people fall roughly into three camps. The first are people like me who harm in times of stress and use it to release feelings they may have difficulty dealing with. The second are people who seem to hate themselves and use the harming to try and destroy in some sense what they hate. It seems to be this second group who are most in danger of doing serious damage to themselves. The third are people who may have both the previous reasons, but mostly self-harm for attention. Kind of a last-ditch attempt to grab your attention.
All of these reasons are plausible when it comes to my H.  I do think he hates himself, at the same time he holds himself in high regard.  He cannot express his feelings.   He can't even admit he has any feelings, much less deal with them.

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I just thought that maybe if you could see what may be going on in his head, it may help you to worry less.

Thank you for thinking about my feelings and extending yourself to address them.  Thank you Cadbury!  That makes me feel so good!  And you are correct.   I am trying to understand so I know what the risk is.  Is he going to really hurt himself or us?  It sounds like maybe that is not a risk.

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The biggest part of curing myself, was learning new techniques to deal with stress. When I was hurt or hurting I learned to talk to someone, or at the very least remove myself from places where I would be able to harm myself.

Maybe this is why he is so resistant to us leaving, even though it is stressful and I don't see that he loves me or enjoys the kids al that much.  Maybe it is self-preservation.

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Sorry, if I have been a rambling mess but I find that people have such a horror of self-harm that a little understanding may help them to deal with it.
Far from it, your post is very useful and chock full of good info.  And you are right about my horror.  That must be a hard thing to deal with also, knowing that the thing you do to help you cope is difficult for others to understand or even know about.  You seem to have done well dealing with it.    I will have to overcome my discomfort.

I just keep on learning new things up here.  Me, who knew everthing already!
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Re: Cul de Sac
« Reply #46 on: July 07, 2005, 08:53:34 AM »
Hi Plucky,

I'm glad my post helped you a little.

I was quite fortunate in that harming myself always released the pent up feelings, so I never felt the urge to do anything more. I don't know how it works for individual cases. I don't, for example, know how it may affect people who do it as an expression of self-hate.

What I did learn when I was trying to stop is that finding someone to talk to really helped me. I also found that I needed it to be someone more distant than my close family and friends. That's why therapy may help your husband. He has made a big step in admitting he does it - that at least allows you to address it.

I don't have any more advice for your particular case - I just hope it goes okay for you. Above all remember that you need to think about yourself and your children above him. Whatever he threatens to do. He may start to threaten all kinds of things, but if you don't change your stance you may well discover that it is all just threats. Good luck, I hope it goes okay for you. Also, if you are worried, then get professional help. Although I have shared my experiences with you, your husband may be entirely different.

Take care,

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Re: Cul de Sac
« Reply #47 on: July 07, 2005, 07:48:46 PM »
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I was so clueless.  I'd only heard of cutting in passing along the lines of teenaged girls and Princess Diana.  It never crossed my mind.  Maybe that is better, because my husband had to own up and seek help rather than me being aware and trying to push him.


I think that's probably very true (that you didn't know about it...believed him) and that he had to take the step himself to face up to it.   It kind of insulated you from his behaviour and took away any obligation you might have felt to try to help him (which probably wouldn't have worked anyway, until he decided to face up eh?).  I'm glad he's in T now.

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GFN, I think you are on to something there.  I just don't know the reason.  Whether there is something in his past? Whether he just doesn't have the skills to 'solve' it so he doesn't want to be frustrated?

Maybe some day he'll tell you the reason (if he knows it or finds out what it is).

 
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He once said he didn't want to know anything my nother had done, because he didn't want it to impact his opinion of and relationship with her.  (What about his relationship with me?)

Ya.  That must have hurt.  He seems to really want things to be out of sight/out of mind...sort of.  It must have been hard for you to have to either keep quiet or pretend stuff.
And it must have been really difficult to be labelled "the crazy one".   Sorry you had to deal with all that Plucky. :(

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We could have helped each other.  Instead, we just hurt each other and became more and more distant.

That is so sad, isn't it?

Hope you're still Plucky!

Sela/GFN

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Re: Cul de Sac
« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2005, 02:35:22 AM »
Hi Plucky,

Just read this post tonight.  I introduced myself to you in the 'friends' thread. 

I'm really sorry to hear of all the stress you have been dealing with.  It sounds like you are facing the truth and have the strength needed to move forward in a healthy direction for you and your children.  Codependency is a cunning and baffing disease.  I can be caught off guard by the intensity of my own denial.  I hope you are getting the help you need to face your challenges. 

My N Mom tried to commit suicide when her husband was getting ready to leave her.  He stayed and took on the blame for her attempt.  It was at that point in his life that I watched him forfeit his sanity, enter into her insanity and become a captive of  hopeless, insane codependency.  I felt sad as I watched him leave truth behind.  He prompty stabbed me in the back and I barely talked to him after that. Now we are completely detatched.  Baffling, scary and incredibly sad.

People just don't grow until they are given the dignity to experience the consequences of their own choices.  Sometimes the consequences are beautiful, sometimes they are painful beyond compare.  I'm sorry your H is ill.  I pray you and your children have a wonderful day tomorrow.   :)

Take care,

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Re: Cul de Sac
« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2005, 08:52:38 PM »
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Cadbury:
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Okay, so firstly I used to harm myself when I couldn't cope with the emotions that were going on in my life at the time. It was as if everything had gotten to be too much and by hurting myself I could find some kind of release. I never told anyone and kept it very private. I also never did any real damage. All the cuts would be very superficial. It was more the act of doing it that gave the release that helped me. I never did it for attention as your husband seems to be doing sometimes. I also never used it as a bargaining tool as he also seems to do.

First, Cadbury, thank you for sharing your experience.  It is so helpful.  You are so brave to reach out and offer this help.  I am beginning to understand cutting somewhat.
Was there ever a time when cutting did not bring that release?  When it was not enough?  What did you do then?

Hello Plucky,
I used to do self-harm years ago too. It was all done in secret so no one would know what I was doing. This is gross but true, I used to collect my scabs. The reason is they represented the pain I felt that no one could hear or understand. This was all very private. Self-harm brought me release until the day I decided I wanted to stop doing it and find a healthier way to deal with my pain. I got away from the source of my greatest pain, my husband and step-son. Then I started to really buckle down and address my issues without all the distractions of other people's crap. I discovered a new way to express my pain which did not involve self-harm.

What your husband is doing looks like manipulation and coercion: using this behavior to make you stop what you're doing.

I've lived with someone just like that, my H. He used needles and would leave them around and even talk about what he did. He finally got help and is doing better. We still live separately but hope to live together some day. He's still in therapy and still working on his issues from childhood. We even discuss things now without me being the crazy one and him the "perfect man who can't do anything wrong." He has confessed and admitted his wrong doing and asked for my forgiveness.
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Re: Cul de Sac
« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2005, 12:17:56 PM »
Thank you Chutz and Sally.  I know it is not easy to expose yourself, I feel like I'm peeling off skin when I do it!  but it is helpful to me.  Thank you.
My H seems to be much better since he started T.   He has been nicer and less angry with me and the kids.  Our long visit with the inlaws was even helpful, despite being stressful, because, thanks to you all up here, I am a bit more insightful about what is going on, and could make comments about that to my husband.  He did not immediately agree but I think by the end of the month he was starting to see it.
One good thing was that my father in-law showed many N traits.  It was good because I could see so clearly now what my H's experience growing up must have included.    He was the whipping post and his sister, now a flaming N, was the favorite.  The bad news is that my FIL has now latched onto my 7 year old son as his next victim.  My son was even afraid of him.  I had to stay awake all the time (one of the kids was awake practically around the clock due to jet lag) to protect him.    I did not do a perfect job, I felt I had to trod a fine line and maybe I did not protect him aggressively enough.  By mid-visit he was afraid of his grandpa.   I had to step it up.  By the end things seemed ok.  I told my H that our son was afraid of his father.  At first he poo-pooed it but I think he agreed by the end.  Strangely, my FIL seems afraid of me or something.  When I hear something going on in the next room that is questionable, and stride into the room, he kind of shrinks back.  Are Ns cowards?  Well, I guess all bullies are.
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