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« Reply #120 on: April 26, 2004, 10:23:32 AM »
Ah, Wildflower, I should clear up my bad communication immediately and say when I said a “Wildflower job” I didn’t mean you in reality, I meant you in your/my story, you as ..er...indicative of all those women. Ack, I didn’t mean you as such and I didn’t mean to point it out…mind you, if it did help in any way, that’s okay, so, good. Tricky, this language thing.

As for grieving, well, your post elsewhere about talking to yourself as child, it reminded me of the ‘Healing the child within’ book which I found enormously helpful – and illuminating, about how good a childhood can be! (I know that babies and kids need touch and hugs etc but when you go down his list of what you missed…it can be excruciating . But he does instruct on how to heal yourself. Still trying to here! And grieving, grieving for what you didn’t have, couldn’t have….it’s all in there. Great book (though a sick-making cover picture). You’ve probably read it and done it to death! Just gabbling on before I go out into that big bad world where other people reside…P

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« Reply #121 on: April 26, 2004, 12:04:12 PM »
Hi Portia - I was thinking back to the 'little ladybird jumping up to be seen/heard, trying to get into the line of vision' and then hearing you offering the alternative of 'looking her straight in the eye'.  That was the 'wow'.  You were right in her line of vision - the ladybird had GONE!   :shock:  :lol:  

I had some other thoughts then thought...turn the spotlight off, willya!!!  :wink:

So CG is finding good-hearted people, and you are finding people who are worth looking straight in the eye...

So who am I finding???  Me, inside.  Like you said!  And I guess I'll find people who can tolerate 'me'!!!  Not the intellectual, intelligent, organised, honest, strong, certain, questioning me.  But the easily confused, uncertain, fragile, shy, wondering me. Or both!  It must be 'confusing' for other people to see both exist side by side!!!  I don't feel quite so 'humiliated' at the thought of 'this' me existing, being seen, any more. "Come on dear, it's safe to come out now!!!" (Are you sure??!)

Dear Wildflower - Do you mind me bringing something over from the other thread???
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Dear Wildflower. If I say there's nothing you could say that could hurt me, does it mean to you that I'm not listening? I'm listening.  
Caught red handed.   Talk about reading me like a book.  But I’ve got to work on that, don’t I? That and worrying all the time about hurting people.  So it’s my issue and it’s been duly noted to self. No worries. But thanks so much for posting that.


But (uncomfortable feeling/admission here) I wasn't really listening, was I?! I was 'simply' being aware that I wasn't!!  But I AM now and I finally (I think) figured out what it is you do for me not to listen/hear!!

You get me (anyone?) concentrating on whether I feel hurt/damaged instead of concentrating on WHAT YOU SAID!  And as my attention flickers over your words, I register that I don't feel hurt and so I respond to THAT question - but in the process of doing that, i'm ignoring all the words of wisdom and support you offer!!!  Can you see how that works??  Can you see how to make it different so you DO get heard better??  Do you mind me writing this to you????!!!!?  I'm not sure I should...but then I'm not sure about a lot of things these days...

I think I need to find better ways of integrating the 'shy, uncertain' me before I drive everyone crazy!!!  :idea:  Aaagh - I've just had a  :idea: and I can't stop.  See you guys later...

Time to cook 'supper'...
TTFN
R
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« Reply #122 on: April 26, 2004, 01:32:06 PM »
Hey R,

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You get me (anyone?) concentrating on whether I feel hurt/damaged instead of concentrating on WHAT YOU SAID! And as my attention flickers over your words, I register that I don't feel hurt and so I respond to THAT question - but in the process of doing that, i'm ignoring all the words of wisdom and support you offer!!! Can you see how that works?? Can you see how to make it different so you DO get heard better??


Honest?  I don't know what I'm doing to make myself hard to hear.  I wasn't aware that I was making myself hard to hear.  Is that what you're telling me?  Something I'm doing wrong?

Wildflower

{EDIT: P.S. - I couldn't stop worrying about hurting people until I understood why I felt that way in the first place, right?  No matter how people tried to tell me I wasn't, I still kept hearing this voice that told me I was a monster and hurt people - no matter how hard I tried not to.  Well, I've gotten to the bottom of that, and I think it'll be easier for me going forward, but it wasn't something I could just stop doing, you know what I mean?}
If you want to sing out, sing out
And if you want to be free, be free
'Cause there's a million ways to be, you know that there are
-- Cat Stevens, from the movie Harold and Maude

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« Reply #123 on: April 26, 2004, 01:47:34 PM »
Hi Portia,

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Tricky, this language thing.


No kidding!  Especially when we're talking in metaphors and stories and stuff.  That's how I read your comments, though - as an extension of the imagery we were using.  And it was helpful to me.  Continuing the imagery, that is.  Going with the image of mom being poisoned and me watching her, and people watching me watch her...symbolic of all the other people who've gotten hooked in merely by watching.  So, I mean it.  It was helpful, and no offense taken.  :D

I haven't read Healing the Child Within but I will now.  Next to a box of tissues, of course.  I've actually been looking for some readable texts on child development so that I can have a better understanding of what was normal at various ages.  As in, was it normal to think x, y, z at that age?  Or was that a sign of something bad going on?  Or was that a healthy sign of me rejecting something bad?  Not that I buy that everyone has the same experiences growing up - but boy would it be useful to have a yardstick. :wink:

Wildflower
If you want to sing out, sing out
And if you want to be free, be free
'Cause there's a million ways to be, you know that there are
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« Reply #124 on: April 26, 2004, 02:21:50 PM »
No, not 'wrong'!  But hey -I'm probably getting too complicated as usual.  If what I say has no meaning, isn't 'speaking' to you - then it's me that's  'wrong' - no probs!!!  :-)
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« Reply #125 on: April 26, 2004, 03:29:13 PM »
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No, not 'wrong'! But hey -I'm probably getting too complicated as usual. If what I say has no meaning, isn't 'speaking' to you - then it's me that's 'wrong' - no probs!!!


Hmmm.  Well, I have to admit I was a bit miffed, R, so I guess I got defensive for a minute there, because this is how your comments came across to me:  You weren't listening to me after all, but it was really my fault.  If I were better at communicating, you would have listened to me, but I'm not, so you didn't.  That's what I heard, and my prickly defenses came up online.  Does that make sense? :?

So no, you're not being too complicated.  I'm just not sure I'm hearing you correctly.

Thing is, if there's something I'm doing that gets in the way of people understanding/listening to me, I want to know about it.  And if there's something I can do to change it, I'll do my best, as always.  I may not be able to change immediately, though.  Even if I can intellectually understand what's going on, you know what I mean?

Wildflower
If you want to sing out, sing out
And if you want to be free, be free
'Cause there's a million ways to be, you know that there are
-- Cat Stevens, from the movie Harold and Maude

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« Reply #126 on: April 26, 2004, 03:46:54 PM »
Hello Dear Wildflower.  I know you'll know I meant no harm.  And it really isn't anything to feel badly about at all.  Quite the opposite.  I think I mean you shield your MEANING behind words that protect other people from the HARM of your meaning.  So people hear you are protecting them but don't necessarily pay attention to the meaning/content of your message as a result.

Here I'll try another way to say it :

"If I say that nothing you could say can harm me, does it mean to you that I'm not listening" seemed to be an accurate statement.  
 
It occurred to me that, if i'm concentrating on you saying to me "I hope this doesn't hurt you" then I'm not listening to the main CONTENT of what you're saying, only the 'last thing you said' which is about 'not hurting'.  So I hear you are 'not hurting me' but I'm not sure I've really been listening to the rest of what you are saying AS A RESULT.  
 
Just as I (me, R) often hide my meaning by adding a post to/about someone else after I've written something very meaningful about myself!!!  :lol:  (yes, I 'see' me do this, too!!  Too clearly sometimes!!!) so it just occurred to me that you hide your 'meaningful content' behind a spoken wish to prioritise 'not hurting'.

In my case, I suspect i'm hiding in order not to experience that terror : rejection!!!  :lol: I see myself doing these things and get very exasperated with myself.  I seem to see more than I can actually control.  The only option is to laugh at myself in order to 'be on my own side' in growing.  

But I'm really, really sorry if I'm still hitting a raw nerve.  I think that the way you heard me was not the meaning I had intended.  But is it time for me to put that spade to rest again, and stop digging???!  I must be half way to Australia by now!!!  :wink:  

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« Reply #127 on: April 26, 2004, 06:00:20 PM »
Quote from: Wildflower

I haven't read Healing the Child Within but I will now.  Next to a box of tissues, of course.  I've actually been looking for some readable texts on child development so that I can have a better understanding of what was normal at various ages.  As in, was it normal to think x, y, z at that age?  Or was that a sign of something bad going on?  Or was that a healthy sign of me rejecting something bad?  Not that I buy that everyone has the same experiences growing up - but boy would it be useful to have a yardstick. :wink:

Wildflower


or was that a healthy sign of me rejecting something bad????????????????
What an interesting thought?????????????

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« Reply #128 on: April 26, 2004, 06:45:56 PM »
Hi Wildflower, Rosenrantz, Portia.

Well aren't I naughty posting. Someone spank me pleeease!!!!
oh, harder, harder!!

Gosh you guys are going into some deep stuff here. How ya' feein' Wildflower?? ((HIG)) How ya feelin' Rosencrantz?? ((HIG)) How ya feelin' Portia?? ((HIG)) You were so cool being so honest about your first thought, emotions, reactions and feelings.

That was such an interesting self-observation Rosencrantz about your tension/attention relieving posts that you use to draw-fire or as a distraction. It's very interesting, because I often use humour sort of the same way, sort of :?:  I make some comment, I expose something very deep and personal about myself, and then out of the blue it's followed by a totally hilarious joke and that's how I get myself "off the hook" or out of further analysis.  :D  

And Wildflower, if you hadn't said you were miffed (is that Latin for Pissed-Off) over Rosencrantz's comment I probably would have missed it all on first read. I'm so glad you communicated you were, that is so fair and just of you. :D  :D  and it gives the other a chance to clear up any misunderstanding, or explain, or reframe or even apologise if necessary. :D   :D  Very adult stuff happenin' here.

I wish I was like that a lot more in the world, instead of imploding all over the show. Then, at other times I feel like that big fat guy in the dining room scene who overeats in Monthy Python's 'Meaning of Life". I get so full of other people's, mine,  and life's stuff, then I explode. :roll:  :roll:  :roll:
(sigh)

Gotta go, I'll be back

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CG

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« Reply #129 on: April 26, 2004, 11:07:37 PM »
Hi R,

Ah.  I think I get it.  Hmmm.  I suppose I could leave it at that, but I really want to be heard this time, okay?  :D Otherwise, I’m afraid this will either simmer down below or crop up again and again, and I don’t want either of those because I really value you, R.

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I know you'll know I meant no harm.

Absolutely.  No question in my mind about that.  Still need to say this, okay?

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Dear Wildflower. If I say there's nothing you could say that could hurt me, does it mean to you that I'm not listening? I'm listening.
Caught red handed. Talk about reading me like a book. But I’ve got to work on that, don’t I? That and worrying all the time about hurting people. So it’s my issue and it’s been duly noted to self. No worries. But thanks so much for posting that.


What I was trying to say to you here was don’t worry about my issues (because you had enough of your own to deal with).  I’m on it.  Thanks for acknowledging that I probably felt ignored (I did, but I’m okay with it), but that’s my deal (I felt ignored as a child and I’m sensitive to it now but I’m learning not to be).  Don’t worry about it (please).  Too subtle, hunh?   :roll: Okay, add that to my list of issues.  :lol:  Oh, and that's what I look like when I'm deflecting  :wink: .

But I think I see now why you’d want to bring this back up (big open issue left unanswered :?: ).

Actually, though, I think (emphasis on ‘think’) I’ve already conquered the bit about obsessing over whether I hurt people, because I finally understand WHY I felt that way (that’s what all that fuss was about a week ago Friday :roll:  :wink: ).  So I doubt I’ll be saying that again – at least, not with those intentions. :D

Can I tell you a story?  My boss has been trying to get me to delegate more work over the past couple of years.  It’s been a bit of a learning experience (understatement :roll: ), and even something as simple as this has forced me to address why it may be so difficult for me to let others help out (answer: because I couldn’t trust anyone else to be there for me growing up, and when I did, it was a big mistake).  But I’ve addressed those fears, and I’ve learned to delegate – and I’ve learned a lot of other things along the way.  So here I am, feeling good about myself and about how much effort I’ve put into learning to trust others when my boss comes up and says, "You need to learn to delegate." :shock: :roll:

The truth is, I have been doing a really good job.  He just reacted to the fact that I was still holding on to one area of the project.  I was holding onto it because it was my creation - and it was extremely complicated.  I was waiting for the other team members to catch up by delegating out other pieces - and they even admitted to being intimidated by this piece.  I had every intention of delegating this piece out when it was time, but when my boss said that to me, I forgot all my plans and intentions and I felt like all the hard work I’d done had either gone unnoticed – or I hadn’t done a good job after all.  All this effort I’d put in?  Nada.  No good.  Worthless.   :(  

I bet most people wouldn’t have reacted the way I did (by immediately doubting myself), but I think that’s a normal reaction for ACONs who have been taught their reality, well, isn’t real. :wink:

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Just as I (me, R) often hide my meaning by adding a post to/about someone else after I've written something very meaningful about myself!!!  (yes, I 'see' me do this, too!! Too clearly sometimes!!!) so it just occurred to me that you hide your 'meaningful content' behind a spoken wish to prioritise 'not hurting'.


I have noticed that you often deflect analysis of your own issues by addressing the issues of others, and that’s okay.  :)  I haven’t said anything before because I figured you either knew and were working on it, or when you were more comfortable with being vulnerable, it would go away on its own.  In short, I didn’t see any point in … pointing it out to you.   :wink: Besides, I still listened to what you said when the spotlight came back to me because often these moments have been filled with some dead-on observations.  :D  Just as CG's deflections result in some hilarious stories (that cause hiccups, btw :lol: ).  But this time, R, you kinda hit a big raw nerve, and I felt much the way I did after my boss told me I needed to learn to delegate.
 
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I finally (I think) figured out what it is you do for me not to listen/hear!!

You get me (anyone?) concentrating on whether I feel hurt/damaged instead of concentrating on WHAT YOU SAID! And as my attention flickers over your words, I register that I don't feel hurt and so I respond to THAT question - but in the process of doing that, i'm ignoring all the words of wisdom and support you offer!!! Can you see how that works?? Can you see how to make it different so you DO get heard better??


I couldn’t hear ‘words of wisdom and support you offer’ (but thank you for that).  All I could hear was :

“what you do for me not to listen … “
“You get me (anyone?) concentrating on whether I feel hurt/damaged”
“Can you see how that works??”
“Can you see how to make it different so you DO get heard better??”

And all I could think was, gosh, is everyone ignoring me?  :shock:  I thought it was just a communication thing between me and R, but now I want to go back and read all my posts to find out if I’ve been ignored.  Have I been doing this to my parents and that’s why they ignore me?  After all this time, it’s really all my fault???  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  And I thought I had a handle on this “hurting people” thing, but if R’s bringing it up again and asking me whether or not I understand how to change the way I communicate – maybe I still don’t get it??? :shock:

But I do get it.  And while I know I may backslide from time to time, I hope it won’t be much of an issue in the future.
 
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I think I mean you shield your MEANING behind words that protect other people from the HARM of your meaning.


Quite aside from my own issues about worrying how I hurt people, I feel very strongly that I should be careful with people here on this board.  They’ve been shoved into boxes and beaten up by the needs of others.  I don’t want my needs to be added to their lists, and I don’t want to push anyone any farther into their boxes.  Or even into new boxes.

Besides, for those I haven’t had a chance to get to know (and even those I have), I don’t know where they are in their process of healing.  I don’t know what their triggers are.  I don’t know how long they’ve been working on an issue (and are frustrated by it).  I don’t know if what I have to say was something they figured out a million years ago.  And I don’t even know if I understand enough to be able to understand them - because I’ve got my very own set of blinders 8) .  So I’m careful.  And - I hope - respectful.  

So I’m not trying to hide something harmful behind words of comfort.  I really, truly, simply want to be supportive in any way I can – whenever I can.  Even if that means stepping away sometimes.  That’s just who I am (even took a while to recover that bit), and I’m proud of it.  I over-tip at restaurants and in cabs for similar reasons (and thankfully, this tipping habit has rubbed off on my friends :D  – when they’re with me at any rate :wink: ).  Sometimes I can’t be supportive, though, because I’m struggling with my own stuff or because I need to go back out into the real world and take care of my, er, life :wink: .  Which is yet another reason why this board rocks: so many other really supportive people on this board.  :D

So, I’m crossing my fingers (big time) and hoping that you understand that I’m telling you all this so that we can be on the same page.  And that being on the same page with you is important to me.

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Wildflower
If you want to sing out, sing out
And if you want to be free, be free
'Cause there's a million ways to be, you know that there are
-- Cat Stevens, from the movie Harold and Maude

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« Reply #130 on: April 27, 2004, 06:14:35 AM »
Hi Wildflower.

“You need to learn to delegate” – oh yeah, was a true biggie for me at work. But if your boss isn’t seeing you progressing (or doesn’t bother to ask you or look at the facts) then it’s obviously his problem. Projection happens so much at work, especially in the annual appraisal where you get criticised for doing something you know you don’t do, but you know your boss does (and his boss criticizes him for doing it). Sick. Turn it back if you can, provide the proof and then tell him you’ll manage your own work, if that’s okay.

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And all I could think was, gosh, is everyone ignoring me?  I thought it was just a communication thing between me and R, but now I want to go back and read all my posts to find out if I’ve been ignored. Have I been doing this to my parents and that’s why they ignore me? After all this time, it’s really all my fault???    And I thought I had a handle on this “hurting people” thing, but if R’s bringing it up again and asking me whether or not I understand how to change the way I communicate – maybe I still don’t get it???

Okay my heart’s lurching at this point (empathy?) and even though you say you’re okay with it now, I’d like to validate from my perspective: How do I hear you communicating? Clearly, warmly, far less provocatively than me, with a human kindness that I lack (too interested in the ‘truth’, I will trample on raw nerves). And you are very aware of not upsetting other people! But hey, you look like you can stick up for yourself too. I admire that.

Yep, maybe it’s an ACON thing, maybe it’s down to style of writing, but that’s what I see.

I read you as intending good. That’s what I see so far – you could surprise me, but I will trust what I see and feel until I see and feel otherwise. Hope that’s reasonable. P

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« Reply #131 on: April 27, 2004, 06:26:27 AM »
Hi R.

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Hi Portia - I was thinking back to the 'little ladybird jumping up to be seen/heard, trying to get into the line of vision' and then hearing you offering the alternative of 'looking her straight in the eye'. That was the 'wow'. You were right in her line of vision - the ladybird had GONE!  

I had some other thoughts then thought...turn the spotlight off, willya!!!  


You’re right, Ladybird has gone. But shine your light on me any time, I don’t mind. And I’m not deflecting from Wildflower above! I just cannot stand a secret, or hinted at thoughts, so go on, tell me, for goodness sake, don’t keep me in suspenders. What were your thoughts? Train your beam this way if you want to – it ain’t often someone offers me unasked for thoughts and I crave feedback, especially the helpful, critical kind (ego-soothing/pumping feed not required). Whenever, and if you still want to. Curiously, P

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« Reply #132 on: April 27, 2004, 06:47:54 AM »
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I just cannot stand a secret, or hinted at thoughts, so go on, tell me, for goodness sake, don’t keep me in suspenders. What were your thoughts? Train your beam this way if you want to – it ain’t often someone offers me unasked for thoughts and I crave feedback, especially the helpful, critical kind (ego-soothing/pumping feed not required). Whenever, and if you still want to. Curiously, P


Yeah, go Rosencrantz, go on. She's beggin' for it, you little masochist you, Portia, oh darling, and suspenders too.  :) How did you know, I'm soooo embarrassed, you naughty girl. I always wondered why I liked you so much.

No, me first, get out of here, I was first, I'm next for the thumb-screws.

Portia's said she's up for it, R,  so I'll bring the popcorn and cheer on from the sidelines, like a roman cheering for the lion against the christian. I always felt for the poor old lion actually. Working under all that pressure. Guffaw Guffaw, snort snort, hee-haw, Oh my gosh, I went inter-species there for a mo!! What does that say, I'm a dumb jackasss. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.HIC-UP.

No seriously now girls, can I watch, pleeeeeeeeeeease. I won't butt in or make comment, I promise 8) (lying emoticon)

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« Reply #133 on: April 27, 2004, 07:37:39 AM »
PS

How the hell can I get any work done while you girls keep finding really cool things to get into. Hey Wildflower, whatchadoin' ? :D

CG

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« Reply #134 on: April 27, 2004, 08:42:53 AM »
All I can say is 'I didn't mean any of that'!!  And I'm feeling sick with fear right now. I'm thinking to myself 'I said one little thing' and I've been here before and I'm struggling not to cry.  Back, zap, to childhood again.  And I feel people are having to protect you against me and I don't understand why.  And then I'm feeling everyone is going to believe I've been horrible to you, if they see other people needing to protect you (against me).

I'm not seeking for anyone to change anything or rescue me or point out the reality.  I'm just saying how I 'feel'.

So I'll come back to adulthood and say as simply as I can : I didn't say anything that was intended to hit a nerve or make you angry or defensive.  Sometimes I say this kind of thing and people are happy and feel I've been helpful.  Sometimes they aren't!  Sometimes they can't see what I meant.  And sometimes I'm just plain wrong!!!  But you know I go straight for the heart of things and I can't know it is about to hit a nerve until it happens!!!

What I said somehow unblocked a whole load of feelings but I'm beginning to learn this is not a good time to try to explore it without a parachute and they're out of stock at the parachute shop at the moment.  :wink:

But let me try to shake off my fears and upset and quivering back (yes, my back is quivering and I don't know why) and return here as close to 'strong, insightful R' as I can.  She's useful and truthful and honest.  

And if we've begun to be friends, then I won't leave you without a darned good try to help you see my perspective.  I've been where you are, and (I think) I'm sharing from slightly higher up the mountain.  Want a hand up??

But I'm talking in general, not applying every last jot to your experience and your reality.  I'm relating my experience to yours.

What I 'hear' in your story about work, which is the same as what I 'hear' in response to my post is that you heard a criticism when there wasn't one in the 'intention'.  And, because it coincidentally didn't happen to mention all the growth and progress and good things you'd done, you felt that it denied them.  But it didn't.  It just didn't happen to mention them.  Wherever you are on the stepping stones to professional or personal growth, there'll always be another one ahead and everyday people in everyday life will expect you to have the resilience to move on without considering childhood needs.

It is the most painful thing to have to get to grips with.  And it's part of the reason why I'll never, ever work for anyone else again!!!!!!!!!  Because, so far, I haven't developed that resilience.  Crushed again, so easily crushed, wiped out completely, devastated, finished, gone, lost and probably forgotten.  And humiliated by my own reaction and feelings.  But it's the 'being crushed' that I need to work on - my boss isn't a bad lot cos he wasn't psychic enough to protect my tender feelings, much as I might like him to!!!  (Now my therapist was another kettle of fish altogether and I SHOULD have expected better from him!!)

Anyway, I'm too proud!  I could have stayed in 'tendersville' becoming a teacher or counsellor or some other form of nanny.  I escaped into the big bad world precisely in order to 'get the rough edges knocked off me'.  And, although I care, I also believe it would be arrogant of me to hold back on the truth as I see it.  I'm just not quite resilient enough to carry it off without pain and guilt and shame - because I'm still the child thinking that the truth just destroyed my mother.

But Wildflower, look, I'm on a sunny ledge here, half way up the mountain.  Come and join me do.

Work is like family.  I spent two years studying a higher degree about all this and was astounded at what I discovered.  Look - managers are parents.  Except they're not!!!  We want from them the care we never got from our parents.  The people who work for us are our parents, too.  Except they think WE are THEIR parents.  It's a wonder any work ever gets done.  And colleagues are siblings.  As an 'only one' I could never understand the relationships people had, the backbiting and in-fighting.  I was such a pushover, so bewildered but then relieved when I finally started to realise what 'politics' was all about!!!

True growth is when it doesn't matter a fig if the other person is an N or not!  Because we are who we are and nobody else can take that away from us.  And our feelings are OURS, contained, not theirs to mess with!

But just as you are learning to let you mother stand on her own two feet (so you can become your own woman and live your own life), so you ARE already learning to delegate to your staff.  But you may not need to protect either your staff, or the people here, or your mother to the extent that you think you do - even when they say they are intimidated or scared by what might be coming their way.  

Delegation doesn't mean 'dumping stuff on people', it means holding their hand along the way, constant monitoring (ie enabling staff to talk to you and feel free to express what they are worried about, then ask them questions so they can find their own solution in their own way).  So you can let go and not fear what will happen 'to' them or 'for' them.  Yes???  Otherwise you're telling them that they are not strong enough and they'll remain dependent on you. (That's an example of good parenting, too.)

Well, I don't know how much of that applies to you, how much is old news, but it ALL applies to me and was ALL amazing NEW news once.  Perhaps there's stuff in there that makes sense to you.

Perhaps I see me in contrast to what you describe and wonder why I'm not being more 'careful' about other people's tender feelings.  Well, partly because I worked out a long time ago that if I do that I'm being their therapist/parent.  And that's not right or healthy for anybody.  I'd be making decisions on their behalf.  I'd be holding the power in my own hands in some way.  Partly because I know that feelings are the responsibility of their owner.  And what I have more recently realised is that I can't possibly know everybody's sensitivies as I go through life at a normal pace - and I can't know any individual's particular sensitivities unless we are in a particularly close and intimate relationship. So I'd be setting myself up for failure and an impossible task or voicelessness (!) if I did otherwise.  And if I fudge it, well, I'm just hiding what I really mean to save myself from rejection.

 :wink: As far as I know, we're both on the same page (unless we've just filled this one up - that would be ironic!  :lol: ).  And I'm not going anywhere 'without you' (not off in a huff or round the bend or down in a heap) unless or until you tell me go away because you can't stand another moment of hearing me go on about myself, my thoughts, my needs, my hopes, my news, my ideas, my 'aha' moments, and hoping you'll get something out of it and discovering that, on every occasion, I'm learning too.

That's all I am.  That's all I've got.  That's all I mean..  We're all just as 'lost' as each other.  And I haven't got the faintest idea whether there's anything 'real' about anything I say except when somebody else says 'YES'.  I live for that moment of connection.  It's OK if I 'miss' but I cry inside every time I do, even while keeping my distance like adults 'should'.

But there, I'm also learning that when things go wrong, I respond by opening myself up more and more and more.  And that isn't always the solution, either.  I'm still learning.  Now I'm just going off to have an anxiety attack while you decide what to do with all this.  :wink:

In sincerity,
R
"No matter how enmeshed a commander becomes in the elaboration of his own
thoughts, it is sometimes necessary to take the enemy into account" Sir Winston Churchill