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Certain Hope

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Energy Vampires
« on: August 10, 2007, 08:42:15 AM »
Bruce Goldberg, hypnotherapist, wrote an article which I've found helpful on the topic of Energy Vampires.   
http://www.drbrucegoldberg.com/EnergyVampires.htm

Although I disagree with some of Dr. Goldberg's concepts, his division of these energy-drainers into categories does allow me to see why I've felt so exhausted after encounters with certain personalities.
Since I'm convinced that awareness is a good portion of the battle, seems to me that applying this bit of info along with properly placed internal boundaries shiould prove effective in warding off the effects of interacting with folks... who tend to leave their victims feeling emotionally whipped. Education and preparation are a far better alternative than fearful avoidance, I think.

Some excerpts:

"Some people, by their very presence, seem to drain the energy of those unprotected people around them.  They will often associate with a victim who exhibits the classic signs of this drain.

    General debility, lack of motivation and energy, an emaciated physique, a pallid complexion, and an overall sense of weakness are typically noted.    These victims also tended to be highly suggestible people.  The dominant partner (energy vampire) always resists a successful treatment or protection applied to their victim.   

    Most of these energy vampires are well-meaning, normal people.    They are an unhappy lot, and do their damage by a telepathic draining of their victim's energy resources.  Mere separation of two people results in immediate positive changes in the victim."


Okay, so I recently separated myself from exposure to someone who had this effect on me... but the effects were not alleviated.
In fact, at first, they were increased in some aspects. Honestly, it's felt almost as though this person had placed a "curse" of some sorts on me... my punishment for having stepped away.
But the real curse, I think, is based in my own sense of shame at feeling weak for not being able to manage the situation better.
I think maybe I was punishing myself... or just still so saddled with the emotions of the other that it took some time to purge those.
Anyhow, when I asked myself how I might have managed it better, the answer was: prevention!

To continue:

"I prefer to use the term "psychic parasitism" for cases where this energy drain is involuntary and subconscious.  If this effect is the result of a premeditated psychic attack, I refer to the perpetrator as an energy vampire.

    You will observe this process at work in any public gathering,.    The more people present, the easier it will be to note.  This could be a family gathering, a lecture, or an encounter at your local movie theater.  When I  conduct seminars and workshops, it is more than obvious.  I discuss this concept and immediately see certain heads bobbing up and down.  Even more interesting is the response of their partner.  These individuals give more me some of the nastiest looks I have ever seen."


Yeah huh. Parasite or vampire, either way, it's a nasty business. I'm still working through all this and trying to mesh this info with what I'm learning about boundaries and the battle against codependent tendancies, as well as spiritual aspects of warfare against the spirits behind the real (deliberate) vamps. But this helps:

"The psychological dynamics represented by people who inadvertently portray a psychic attacker (energy vampire) fall into five major categories.
Fear is the common denominator in these individuals, and you must learn to protect yourself from their negative influences. 
The five personality types are called -
ethereal, insecure, paranoid, passive-aggressive, and robotic."

The Paranoid Type

Betrayal is the main issue with a paranoid type....

    "Paranoid types are soldiers still trying to win a  war that no longer exists against an enemy that has long since perished.  They do not trust anyone.  Everyone is their enemy and life is their battleground.  Fear is everywhere and an ingrained part of their personality makeup.

    Their energy fields tend to be more highly charged on the upper half of their body.  They are especially fearful and distrustful of members of the opposite sex.  Aggression is the most common response to the world from a paranoid type.  This aggression takes the form of physical behavior and energy projections to anyone in their path.

    Paranoid types constantly pick fights.  They are seductive, but are incapable of long-term relationships.  This person expects all others to betray them, and will assist in setting up others for this betrayal.  A paranoid may initiate a betrayal as a preemptory strike.

    To lose for a paranoid is to admit that they are bad.  This is intolerable, so these people must win at any cost.  They are hard workers, obsessive-compulsive, and are usually quite healthy physically.  There is never enough time for them to accomplish their various goals.

    Paranoid types insist you agree with their often-distorted view of the world.  In reality, they want you to argue with them.  This way they can win the argument and prove to themselves that they are good and you are bad.

    Never argue with this person.  Refrain from making eye contact with them.  Lower and soften your voice when you speak to them, and change the topic to something pleasant."

I'll stop the excerpts here for now, due to length... but, by the way...
the first thing I thought when reading about this paranoid type is - NPD.

 In many respects, this paranoid version of fear was a driving force within npd-ex... determined to engage the entire world in battle to prove that he was good and "they" were bad.
I always sensed this within him, but didn't recognize the dynamics because he glossed it over so well with his facade of independence -
"I don't need anything from anyone." Sensing his fear, I felt sorry for him and did all I knew to do in order to ease that for him.
BIG mistake. As you know - it's never enough and it's never right.
Ex "lost" repeatedly, but always contrived ways to convince himself that his losses were actually wins, at the expense of anyone in his path.
So much blame... so much refusal to accept personal responsibility and accountability... and when all else failed for him, little baby-N would come out to whine and bawl about how wounded he was. Like a small child who pitches a fit when an adult doesn't "let him win" at a game.

More later.






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Re: Energy Vampires
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2007, 09:15:53 AM »
Dear Hope,
   Thank you for this. I will read it later when I come home  .                  Love   Ami
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2007, 11:47:56 AM »
Hope - Dr. Patrick Carnes writes about people who are abused, suffer traumas from a vulnerable state (leading to addictions of many kinds), and he describes the "emotional vampire" in very specific terms, tho' he doesn't call it that. His book is "Betrayal Bonds". If you haven't read it, I highly recommend it. My favorite part is his advice to those of us who are vulnerable to any kind of abuse is to "keep your zipper on the inside".

The whole book was invaluable to me since he knows a lot about vulnerability. He describes me perfectly - and I thought no one could! :?
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2007, 12:46:45 PM »
Hey Hope.

The paranoid type actually smacked of Borderline Personality Disorder to me. 

Reading your entire post made me feel weak and a bit repulsed.

It's a rare gathering that doesn't leave me drained of energy and dreading the next encounter.

I used to say that it was my introversion...... but.....

not all people leave me feeling drained and despairing, lol. 

I'll use the 'dropping eye contact, lowering voice and changing the subject' next time with my sib.....

instead of engaging in absurd logic. 

I never feel better and sib never get's it

Sib just uses the encounter to say I'm overreacting and attacking.

I really really hate being accused of something an unstable personality is doing: /

Really.

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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2007, 03:53:43 PM »
I really really hate being accused of something an unstable personality is doing: /

Really.

Lighter,

Me, too... reallly really!! I'm learning that the ones who do the blame-shifting are the true vampire variety of energy-suckers.
The parasitic sort may be miserable, yet they're unaware of the havoc they can create.. no malice; but the vamps? Oh, yeah, they know... and they feed off of upheaval and turmoil they can create in you.

Also, I completely identify with that sense of feeling weak and repulsed... which is exactly how I've always felt around certain peculiar personalities.
The thing is... yes, I want to know when to walk away... but I don't want to feel any longer as though I need to run. Yanno?
I can only take so much of this at one time, myself... it's sickening, really... and yet...
the more I look into all this, I'm recognizing that many inner reactions which I've had in the past are really not attributable to introversion.
That's a brand new discovery for me and I'm excited about it, because till now, I have always, always blamed myself- shyness or whatever -for feeling this way around some folks, but now I know there's alot more to it.

Towrite,

I do like that phrase!  "Keep your zipper on the inside" - - - indeed!  Thank you for the referral to Dr. Carnes and the Betrayal Bonds book...  I will look into it.
Found this article based on the book, for anyone interested:   http://www.enotalone.com/article/4291.html

Off-topic here, but this little excerpt made me want to read more:

"Some trauma experiences are relatively minor, but they happen every day. The hurt accumulates. Many acts of child neglect, for example, in themselves are not that serious. Every parent has moments of not being able to cover all the bases. A consistent pattern of neglect, however, creates incredible anxiety in a child and leaves serious lifelong wounds. Other examples include living in a toxic marriage or working in a toxic corporation. Little acts of degradation, manipulation, secrecy and shame on a daily basis take their toll. Trauma by accumulation sneaks up on its victims."

Wish I could find more articles referencing his work online, but will see whether our local library can get the book. Thanks again!

Love,
Hope

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Okay, here's the 2nd of those 5 personality types of emotional vamps:

The Ethereal Type

Existential terror is the predominant issue of an ethereal type....
...out-of-body experiences are the norm with them today.   


(Sounds like dissociating to me... the ultimate form of denial?)

    These individuals do not want much contact with others......  unwilling to commit their consciousness completely into their physical body.

    Leaving their physical body often throughout the day is the most common method that ethereal types use to deal with problems.  They have weak boundaries and spend as much time as possible on the spiritual realms.  Since all time is simultaneous on other planes, these people find it difficult to relate to linear time.   

    The result of these inclinations is both withdrawal and aggression.    They become aggressive and angry when forced to function on the earth plane.    Their psychic attack on you is rarely premeditated, but nonetheless you must protect yourself from these individuals.


If this "type" sounds fairly harmless, I'm here to say that it's not... lol...  :?.  The friend with whom I recently enforced no contact combines this (or maybe alternates it) with the paranoid style, among others, and it is not a pretty picture.

More later....


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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2007, 06:40:37 PM »
Thankyou Hope!, Dr. Goldberg has some interesting ideas and I appreciate the fact that he has attempted to define and categorise energy vampirism.

And thanks for the description of the `paranoid' type. Yes, it does sound like NPD, doesn't it? It also described that stalker/bully from ebay that I was writing about the other day extremely well, and it reinforced my decision to have no contact with him too. It was helpful seeing the motives of such a person written down...thanks hope!

I'm not sure if I agree with some of what he has suggested about victims of energy vampirism, or where he was going with that. Unless I misinterpreted, it reminds me of Vaknin a bit, where he tries to pathologicise victims and define them as a specific `faulty' personality type. Theres a touch of misogynism there, I feel, as most women would identify with traits that make them targets for abuse, such as being emotionally vulnerable, nice, giving,  and naturally caring. I think this general attitude is a deflection from blaming predators for abusing these `feminine' qualities, and excuse to make women squirm for possessing motherly/ nurturing traits.

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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2007, 07:07:55 PM »
You're welcome, Bella  :)

I thought the same about this info... interesting, to a point.

NPD may have aspects of some of these types to greater or lesser degree, but then so do borderline and other personality disorders, I think.  Personally, I don't believe that anything is as cut-and-dried as Dr. Goldberg's presenting it here, but it's still useful.

I understand what you're saying about the hint of misogynism there... you may be right. Mostly, I think that in trying to get too narrow and clinical in describing some of these things, it's easy to lay a baseline of "normal" which doesn't even exist... if that makes sense. What I can see in this is that these types he lists may be gross exaggerations of sets of common defense mechanisms which are probably present in each of us, to a certain extent... more so, I suspect, for those reared in N or extremely N'ish homes.

For instance, I myself identified quite a bit with the robot type   :?  but I don't think I was a parasite or a vamp?  ack

Here's the Robot:

    The main issue of robotic types is authenticity.  They are denying their true self.  During previous lifetimes, they had to keep up the appearance of being perfect in order to survive.  They were most likely in charge of running things, as they probably are now.

    Their outer world is perfect, the inner world is denied, and there is no core essence.  They constantly fear that something is missing and life is progressing without them.

    To deal with this reality, robot types try to become even more perfect.  They have high-paying jobs, a good reputation, a perfect spouse and family, and look in perfect health.

    The more inauthentic they act, the more meaningless the world appears.  Others envy their lifestyle.  People come to them with their problems.    The robot types never attain satisfaction from life, and come across as a blank.   They function as if on automatic pilot and are often removed from your conversation.

    Robot types never complain about the world.  They are perfect and everything is beautiful.  Appropriateness and being "politically correct" are more important than being real.


Uhh... yeah... that sounds alot like me - pre-NPD-ex.  Except I did get satisfaction from life... I though so, anyhow... from taking care of my family.
So - it's definitely not all black and white.

Thanks, Bella!

Love,
Hope





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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2007, 07:08:36 PM »
Hey CH, I like reading about Energy Vamps - oh how thirsty they are!! I swear my body should have been totally flat after I'd been around these vamps for years  :? I definitely feel super energised now Ive kicked three suckers out of my life for good and not only that I can look back on my life and kick out memories of old vamps who sucked me dry too, regaining self esteem and understanding of them and more importantly myself. I agree with most of the quotes you wrote apart from this one:

"Most of these energy vampires are well-meaning, normal people. They are an unhappy lot, and do their damage by a telepathic draining of their victim's energy resources.  Mere separation of two people results in immediate positive changes in the victim."

I have to say that most are not well meaning, in fact I'd say the opposite is true about most Energy Vamps or as I like to refer to them, ****'s  :D

    To lose for a paranoid is to admit that they are bad.  This is intolerable, so these people must win at any cost.  They are hard workers, obsessive-compulsive, and are usually quite healthy physically.  There is never enough time for them to accomplish their various goals.


Oh my god this one sounds like me! eek, i used to be wayyyyyyyyyy too competitive, i think thats what kept one of my old N mates in check for so long as I used to best him at almost everything we did together, what can I say I loved to compete, I still do but not as much as when I was with an N, there was something about my N mate that used to make me compete harder, perhaps I sensed that once he bested me he wouldnt respect me, and I was right, cos even though I am wonderfully gifted at most things, pah who am I kidding im wonderfully gifted at everything, EVERYTHING I TELL YOU!!!!!! Erm..... sorry about that what was I saying?  :lol: anyway, he was able to best me at some things and the more things he found he could do better than me the more he began to look down on me and his ego grew and grew and grew, im surprised it could get any bigger, yes the self love was extreme and as I look back very sickening.

Peace people
James

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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2007, 08:29:19 PM »
I think this may be a common dynamic  between some male friends, James; I am happy to hear that you were wise enough to see through it, and end end those friendships.

One of my close male friends went through something similar a few years back. He is a  highly successful sales manager (for one of Australia's biggest firms) and an extremely easy going, humorous person. I love him. He's a pom, with all that wonderful self-depreciating humor and a gift for story telling. And he makes people feel so good about themselves, so he attracts people, and somehow wins their devout loyalty. Firms compete over him, and thats how he rose to the top of his field. He taught me almost everything i know about getting places in the work-force.

So every now and again, some Aussie Jock latches onto him (probably out envy), and competes, competes competes. My friend is probably competetive too, but one of the things I love about him is that he's just as happy to lose, because it makes for a bit of a fun story at his own expense.

So a few years back, a Jock sportsman latched onto him in the name of `friendship' and was pressuring him to do sports with him all the time. It started with usual things, like squash and tennis games, but then it started to get stupidly dangerous. For example, the `Jock' guy was trying to get my friend to do things like scaling cliffs without protection or experience. There was one really scarey day where my friends didn't want to scale a 30 meter cliff without proper rock climbing gear, and the Jock was pressuring him to do it. So my friend tried, and he a had a bad fall. My friend kind of woke up then, because he had a newly born son and he realised that his son could have lost his Dad that day.

I thought you'd like to know that it happens to other guys, James.

X Bella

 






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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2007, 12:32:28 AM »
You're welcome, Bella  :)

I thought the same about this info... interesting, to a point.

NPD may have aspects of some of these types to greater or lesser degree, but then so do borderline and other personality disorders, I think.  Personally, I don't believe that anything is as cut-and-dried as Dr. Goldberg's presenting it here, but it's still useful.

I understand what you're saying about the hint of misogynism there... you may be right. Mostly, I think that in trying to get too narrow and clinical in describing some of these things, it's easy to lay a baseline of "normal" which doesn't even exist... if that makes sense. What I can see in this is that these types he lists may be gross exaggerations of sets of common defense mechanisms which are probably present in each of us, to a certain extent... more so, I suspect, for those reared in N or extremely N'ish homes.

For instance, I myself identified quite a bit with the robot type   :?  but I don't think I was a parasite or a vamp?  ack

Here's the Robot:

    The main issue of robotic types is authenticity.  They are denying their true self.  During previous lifetimes, they had to keep up the appearance of being perfect in order to survive.  They were most likely in charge of running things, as they probably are now.

    Their outer world is perfect, the inner world is denied, and there is no core essence.  They constantly fear that something is missing and life is progressing without them.

    To deal with this reality, robot types try to become even more perfect.  They have high-paying jobs, a good reputation, a perfect spouse and family, and look in perfect health.

    The more inauthentic they act, the more meaningless the world appears.  Others envy their lifestyle.  People come to them with their problems.    The robot types never attain satisfaction from life, and come across as a blank.   They function as if on automatic pilot and are often removed from your conversation.

    Robot types never complain about the world.  They are perfect and everything is beautiful.  Appropriateness and being "politically correct" are more important than being real.


Uhh... yeah... that sounds alot like me - pre-NPD-ex.  Except I did get satisfaction from life... I though so, anyhow... from taking care of my family.
So - it's definitely not all black and white.

Thanks, Bella!

Love,
Hope


That is so interesting Hope. I think i was robot once, because it reminds me of how I was and how I felt as a teen.

And I agree with everything you said about Dr. Goldberg's opinions; and they are definately useful and interesting. I really enjoyed what you have posted.

X Bella

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2007, 06:56:12 AM »
Hey Bella, thanks for that story its good to know other people have had the same experiences and it does tend to take a near death experience sometimes to get through our male ego and pride  :?  :D, as long as we realise that its ok to lose thats the main thing, i think perhaps winning becomes almost obsessive when the rest of a persons life is unfilled and self esteem is very low and the person is insecure, thats how it felt for me anyway I felt totally useless at most things and felt I needed to win at trivial games to gain some kind of respect, ah the sad state of affairs one gets into when voicelessness has its ugly grip on you.

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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2007, 09:17:24 AM »
I am glad this "thing" has a name.  The first time I heard something like this is when my cousin divorced her husband.  Everyone in the family loved him - he seemed like such a soft spoken, dear man.....but my cousin, on the other hand, said he "sucked the life out of her."  She had an emotional breakdown and of course, my nmom blamed her.....

Then I had this boyfriend.  He lived in Nebraska and I in Iowa.  Two hour drive.  We would see each other every other weekend.  LOVE!!  THen he moved to my town and within two years it was OVER!!  But my mom loved him.  He was polite and helpful, etc.  And NEEDY!!!  She could swoop in and SAVE him!!  I used the term he "sucked the life out of me."  Again, she was defensive and blamed ME just like she blamed my cousin.

But it is TRUE!!!  Some people just "suck the life out of you."  When you are with them and have to deal with all their stuff and their emotional needs and their self pity and their victim mentality.....it just becomes a drain on you.  At first, I was happy to try to help him get over his divorce - I would be HIS savior.......a trait I learned from Nmom......but I couldn't get to him.  I don't think he wanted to be gotten to.  He liked wallowing in his self pity.  He liked blaming his ex-wife for all he lost.  He was like a man drowning in his own SH*T!!
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2007, 11:05:20 AM »
Hi James,

I'm still working at kicking out those memories of vamps who drained me dry, but energy levels are definitely on the increase! I'm energized to discover practical methods of preventing this sort of leaching relationship from happening again, because they're out there - and I know that I'm the only one on whom I can have any lasting effect of change.

And I agree with you... I don't think that most of them are well-meaning, either. I can see examples of both in my own life - the "innocents" and the predators... and really, what's the use of trying to sort their motivations?
The effects are the same, regardless.

About competition... you may have been finding a sense of self in winning, but I surely don't think you had any malicious intent.
Bella's story of her friend is so good, I think, because it demonstrates just how easy it is to get caught up in the games of these vamps. We may believe that we're accepting a valid challenge - whether it's in a sporting event or someone's request that we help them - - - but what we don't know is that they (the predator) will never allow us to win - either in the game or in the helping.
In a way, I guess "helping" was my competition... I just so very much wanted to be able to lift my friend out of her self-defeating cycles. Impossible. The only way she can "win" is to prevent herself from receiving help.
Your N mate... I see the envy there, in him. He didn't just want to win - he wanted to see you lose.
That is twisted.
So glad for you that you're free of that!

Kelly,

You got it. He didn't want to be helped... his wallowing was his security blanket and oh, so comforting.
There's something else I realized more clearly through James' post...
this looking for someone to help IS the game.
They win when they get to show/tell you that all your efforts didn't do them a bit of good.  It's maddening.

Love,
Hope

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2007, 12:35:31 PM »
Hey Hope, yes the competition perhaps was me trying to find myself against the madness that the N made me feel, and yes he was a very jealous person, if I told him something good that happened to me then a week or so later the same thing but better had happened to him, even when I won at something I always felt like I'd lost but when I did lose then I saw the arrogance and cruelty, a very twisted individual indeed as most, if not all, true N's are.

Also I'm thinking about patenting an N branding device so we can brand a big N onto their foreheads - RRP £14.95 or $29.95 in U.S. money - any takers? I might take it on dragons den and use it on some of the judges!  :P

Love ya
James

ps good luck with getting rid of the past demons, I've got most of them out of my system now, hopefully once my life becomes more and more fulfilled and happy the remnants will drift away in the breeze as im sure yours will too  :D

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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2007, 01:01:37 PM »
I was at the pool last night watching people grill out.

This subject came to mind as I began breaking men down into categories...

1)  Those that can cook and do a good job of it.

2)  Those that can't cook but don't know it.

3)  Those that can cook sober but can't after a few too many beers.

4)  Those that could never cook but do a better job after a few beers.

5)  Those that are going to get chewed out by their wives for letting $100.000 worth of steaks dehydrate beyond all redemption on the grill.

When I smelled them trying to put the grill fire out with beer..... I knew they were in trouble.

When I asked them if their steaks were still on the grill (30 minutes later.....) and they said yes..... it was confirmed.  ::nodding::

I gotta say..... the men who looked like they were comfortable with the grill.... comfortable with NOT drinking too much and comfortable spending time with their wives and children.....

made me gutsick sad: (

When my children sought out attention from one of these nice men in the pool..... I don't know I kept from weeping.

"watch me jump in the water again'

'Wanna see me try to swim?'

'I don't swim, I'm the only member of my family that can't swim... cause I can't swim.... wanna see?'

He was so kind and patient with them.

I could only stand near and try not to hate their father for not ever being there for them. 

For us.