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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #90 on: August 26, 2007, 09:41:15 AM »
She's a mystery to me, Bones... sure sounds disconnected and in her own little world.

Seems like she's in an ongoing state of daydreaming... creating her own reality. Denial, obtuse-ness (if that's a word), manipulation of people and events... like a little girl with a dollhouse, moving around figures and furnitures to suit her design.

Do you think these ideas she has, like the one she wanted to share with you yesterday, and the one she wrongly acted on in her job...
would these qualify as grandiose fantasies?

 

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« Reply #91 on: August 26, 2007, 09:45:22 AM »
She's a mystery to me, Bones... sure sounds disconnected and in her own little world.

Seems like she's in an ongoing state of daydreaming... creating her own reality. Denial, obtuse-ness (if that's a word), manipulation of people and events... like a little girl with a dollhouse, moving around figures and furnitures to suit her design.

Do you think these ideas she has, like the one she wanted to share with you yesterday, and the one she wrongly acted on in her job...
would these qualify as grandiose fantasies?

 

My gut instinct is saying "YES"!

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« Reply #92 on: August 26, 2007, 09:50:39 AM »
Gee, Bones, makes me wonder what in the world her relationship with her husband has been like... where does he fit into her picture?

By the way, how's her mom doing?

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« Reply #93 on: August 26, 2007, 10:37:48 AM »
Gee, Bones, makes me wonder what in the world her relationship with her husband has been like... where does he fit into her picture?

By the way, how's her mom doing?

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From my observations, she imposes on him ALOT!!!  When I was planning my graduation trip for months and she decided to pay my airfare as a graduation gift, she "volunteered" her husband to drive us to the airport WITHOUT discussing it with him!!!!  When the reservations were made in June for the August flight, I told her to PLEASE discuss the flight details with him WELL AHEAD OF TIME to avoid jamming him up with his work and his obligations to his ailing mother.  She had TWO MONTHS TO DO THIS!  What did she do?  She waited until 24 HOURS BEFORE WE WERE SCHEDULED TO FLY TO TELL HIM because she "assumed it would be OK" !  Then she had the nerve to complain to me that he was "being difficult"!!!!  I wanted to slap her so bad!!!!  He was gracious to me because I think he realized that I couldn't be part of the conversation between him and his wife.  (BTW, her Mom will be 90 this week.  Unfortunately, her Alzheimer's is still progressing.)

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« Reply #94 on: August 26, 2007, 10:46:43 AM »
Ahh.. Bones!  So in all of this assuming, we have more than just obliviousness to other people as individuals, we have a grand sense of entitlement! Sorry, I'm slow in connecting dots, but eventually I get it (sometimes  :?)... guess I tend to think of these people who seem so "out of it" as being dissociated, as opposed to N.

So basically, everyone - including her own husband - is just a tool to be used in the advancement of her own plans and schemes.

My mother has planned European trips and not told my dad for many, many months, until well beyond the point when the money deposit became non-refundable. She manages their finances and assumes that because her aptitude for this aspect of their marriage exceeds his, then correspondingly, so does her entitlement to make decisions. Basically, anyone involved with such a person is simply along for the ride.
That is so sad.

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« Reply #95 on: August 26, 2007, 10:50:36 AM »
Ahh.. Bones!  So in all of this assuming, we have more than just obliviousness to other people as individuals, we have a grand sense of entitlement! Sorry, I'm slow in connecting dots, but eventually I get it (sometimes  :?)... guess I tend to think of these people who seem so "out of it" as being dissociated, as opposed to N.

So basically, everyone - including her own husband - is just a tool to be used in the advancement of her own plans and schemes.

My mother has planned European trips and not told my dad for many, many months, until well beyond the point when the money deposit became non-refundable. She manages their finances and assumes that because her aptitude for this aspect of their marriage exceeds his, then correspondingly, so does her entitlement to make decisions. Basically, anyone involved with such a person is simply along for the ride.
That is so sad.

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Hope

Thanks, Hope, and that is so right!

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« Reply #96 on: August 27, 2007, 08:58:34 AM »
During my Sunday shift, I decided to play it smart and turned my cellphone completely off so that it wouldn't ring while I was covering the crisis lines.  Turned out that my shift was REALLY BUSY with the phones just ringing off the hook!  Toward the end of my shift, when things slowed down, I checked my e-mail, again, to see if I had received my new shift schedule for this coming week.  (I had checked my e-mail right before leaving home and coming to work.)  What do I find? TWO e-mails from said "friend" because she STILL ASSUMED that I was available to talk with her at HER CONVENIENCE!!!  This is AFTER I had been telling her for a month, now, that I CANNOT chit-chat while I am working covering crisis phone calls!  I ignored them and deleted them!  (What part of the word "NO" does she NOT UNDERSTAND????  :roll: :?

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« Reply #97 on: August 27, 2007, 09:08:45 AM »
During my Sunday shift, I decided to play it smart and turned my cellphone completely off so that it wouldn't ring while I was covering the crisis lines.  Turned out that my shift was REALLY BUSY with the phones just ringing off the hook!  Toward the end of my shift, when things slowed down, I checked my e-mail to see if I had received my new shift schedule for this coming week.  What do I find? TWO e-mails from said "friend" because she STILL ASSUMED that I was available to talk with her at HER CONVENIENCE!!!  This is AFTER I had been telling her for a month, now, that I CANNOT chit-chat while I am working covering crisis phone calls!  I ignored them and deleted them!  (What part of the word "NO" does she NOT UNDERSTAND????  :roll: :?

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Man, this does give a new depth of meaning to the word "oblivious"!

It'll be interesting to see how long she continues this pursuit, Bones. You definitely seem to be an integral part of her ritual.

You know what? That's how I'm coming to view these weekly letters from my parents... just part of their ritual. They always write them on Sundays, after church... as though that's when they feel particularly good about themselves and can really put a nice gloss on it all.
Bones, 6 1/2 years of weekly letters... and I don't respond. The thing that really gets me is that they've never once asked WHY I don't respond.
I wonder whether your "friend" will ever ask... but I doubt it.

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Hope

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« Reply #98 on: August 27, 2007, 09:16:31 AM »
During my Sunday shift, I decided to play it smart and turned my cellphone completely off so that it wouldn't ring while I was covering the crisis lines.  Turned out that my shift was REALLY BUSY with the phones just ringing off the hook!  Toward the end of my shift, when things slowed down, I checked my e-mail to see if I had received my new shift schedule for this coming week.  What do I find? TWO e-mails from said "friend" because she STILL ASSUMED that I was available to talk with her at HER CONVENIENCE!!!  This is AFTER I had been telling her for a month, now, that I CANNOT chit-chat while I am working covering crisis phone calls!  I ignored them and deleted them!  (What part of the word "NO" does she NOT UNDERSTAND????  :roll: :?

Bones

Man, this does give a new depth of meaning to the word "oblivious"!

It'll be interesting to see how long she continues this pursuit, Bones. You definitely seem to be an integral part of her ritual.

You know what? That's how I'm coming to view these weekly letters from my parents... just part of their ritual. They always write them on Sundays, after church... as though that's when they feel particularly good about themselves and can really put a nice gloss on it all.
Bones, 6 1/2 years of weekly letters... and I don't respond. The thing that really gets me is that they've never once asked WHY I don't respond.
I wonder whether your "friend" will ever ask... but I doubt it.

Love,
Hope

I think her being oblivious is just the tip of the iceberg with her.  It's gotten to the point that every time I encounter another example of her mindlessness and acting oblivious that I think of a Gallagher video where he had this huge character stumbling around with his head stuck up his you-know-what!

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« Reply #99 on: August 29, 2007, 03:26:50 PM »
I do plan to give a birthday card to her mother for her 90th birthday this week.

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« Reply #100 on: August 29, 2007, 04:50:53 PM »
Hi Bones,

You have the patience of a saint. 

I would probably be bald right about now from pulling my hair out if I had to deal with this from an adult.   She reminds me of my kids who suddenly become hearing impaired when they hear the word no.  It is almost as though they have very, very selective amnesia when it comes to the words “no” or “don’t.”

Did she ever have any sort of head trauma?

I am curious if she would react differently if instead of using “no” or “don’t” she was given instructions on what she could do - for example, while I am at the crisis center, you can call me between these hours only … (sometimes works better with my kids if I give them a what can instead of what can't – and her behavior seems very childlike).

It would be interesting to see if her brain just flatlines on the word “no” (like a little kid) or if her brain flatlines on anything that does not mesh with what she wants, regardless of what is said (like an N).

I really admire you for putting up with the nonsense to help her mother.  It takes a toll dealing with people like this.

Much love to you,
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The thing that really gets me is that they've never once asked WHY I don't respond.
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I had the same thing happen with my parents.  I did not initiate a phone call to them once in 10 years (at that time we were still associating).  I would return a call – but never once did I initiate one.  I got plenty of grief over not calling enough, but was never once asked why.  I thought that was really telling – either they had the answer already figured out (I was a self-centered brat) or they didn’t ask because they didn’t want to hear the answer.
 
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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #101 on: August 29, 2007, 08:26:46 PM »
Bones,

That's sweet of you to remember her mother's birthday. Hugs!


Peace,

I'm betting it's "not wanting to hear the answer". You don't seem like a brat to me  :D

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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #102 on: August 30, 2007, 05:42:57 AM »
Bones,

I hear lack of respect, entitlement, grandiosity................. = well you know what

I think Ns always violate others boundaries, its a game, even if the consequences are to their own detriment.  It's like the little kid putting their hand on the hot stove, they are told do not do this, it will hurt you but they go right ahead and do it and until they suffer enough they will continue to do it.  The difference with Ns is that they don't care about cost, they get some sort of buzz out of breaking the rules and who it hurts in the process well, hell, they are only objects.

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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #103 on: August 30, 2007, 09:17:54 AM »
Hi Bones,

You have the patience of a saint. 

I would probably be bald right about now from pulling my hair out if I had to deal with this from an adult.   She reminds me of my kids who suddenly become hearing impaired when they hear the word no.  It is almost as though they have very, very selective amnesia when it comes to the words “no” or “don’t.”

Did she ever have any sort of head trauma?

I am curious if she would react differently if instead of using “no” or “don’t” she was given instructions on what she could do - for example, while I am at the crisis center, you can call me between these hours only … (sometimes works better with my kids if I give them a what can instead of what can't – and her behavior seems very childlike).

It would be interesting to see if her brain just flatlines on the word “no” (like a little kid) or if her brain flatlines on anything that does not mesh with what she wants, regardless of what is said (like an N).

I really admire you for putting up with the nonsense to help her mother.  It takes a toll dealing with people like this.

Much love to you,
Peace

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Hope – you said
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The thing that really gets me is that they've never once asked WHY I don't respond.
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I had the same thing happen with my parents.  I did not initiate a phone call to them once in 10 years (at that time we were still associating).  I would return a call – but never once did I initiate one.  I got plenty of grief over not calling enough, but was never once asked why.  I thought that was really telling – either they had the answer already figured out (I was a self-centered brat) or they didn’t ask because they didn’t want to hear the answer.
 


Thanks, Peace.

No, she's not brain damaged.  I've noticed that she seems to have the symptoms of ADD as well.  My sense is that she learned her infuriating habit growing up where her mother gave in to her after she continued to dither until the "No" turned into a "Yes" for what she wanted at that instant.  As a result, this habit is now ingrained into her and drives other adults around her crazy!  She recently contacted me to complain how one of her sisters is in a "foul mood" towards her.  (Geez, I wonder why?)

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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #104 on: August 30, 2007, 09:19:53 AM »
Bones,

That's sweet of you to remember her mother's birthday. Hugs!


Peace,

I'm betting it's "not wanting to hear the answer". You don't seem like a brat to me  :D

Thanks, Hope!

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