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sKePTiKal

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Obsession vs Self-Acceptance
« on: June 16, 2008, 10:54:51 AM »
Well now. I've had sort of a breakthrough in understanding, via my work on smoking.

The explanation starts with Twiggy's (pre-trauma) heart-felt wish to experience as much as she could....
Twiggy believed that through experience - and only through experience - would she be fulfilled, in this life. She didn't really understand how profound that belief was... and didn't understand how it worked, at that time.

What Twiggy understands now, is that experience of self, life, the universe = feelings.

Twiggy experienced some things, in that time, that some people never have to deal with - the bad stuff that happened. If she'd been lucky enough to have a wise person to help her at the time, she probably would've been able to accept the feelings; the experiences; the reality of what happened - and LET IT GO.

Instead: Twiggy was so extremely and intensely invalidated - her experiences said to be "only" hallucinations due to a head injury; her feelings said to be completely inappropriate (well - YEAH - without validation of the experiences!!); and her behavior so completely controlled by her mom....

... that Twiggy came to believe that this experience - those feelings - were permanent. That this experience and those feelings were the ULTIMATE TRUTH about her. And that this TRUTH would NEVER CHANGE. It was PERMANENT.

So, Twiggy hid - what she remembered, her experiences, those feelings - she hid in my unconscious. And to "carry on" - it was necessary to pretend, disguise real feelings, to meet the unfair expectations of my mother - to SURVIVE. And yes, smoking was woven into that method of survival, as I've described on the smoking thread... smoking was the Hansel & Gretel bread crumb trail BACK to the reality that was so effectively denied. The desire to "protect" that real self from any additional invalidation - the black hole of non-existence - became an obsession.

Obssession gets fueled by new experiences - present ones - that seem to confirm the original invalidation ONLY because of belief in that ULTIMATE TRUTH... and the belief that truth never changes. Ultimate truth - like God - is unknowable. Truth in life DOES change - collectively and individually. When a present experience "confirms" a mistaken belief... an unconscious process of creating a continued reality based on that belief dominates one's life; it controls the person in an endless cycle, like the symbol of a snake swallowing it's tail.

And the ONLY way out of that self-perpetuating cycle is LETTING GO. Letting go = self-acceptance. Seeing my self the way I am - thinking my own thoughts - validating for my SELF, my own feelings.

Through Letting Go, I have a chance to CREATE my self (to CHANGE habits & routines: physical, mental & emotional) - based on other beliefs - continuously.... and be free of the obsession; free of the need for "clues" back to my self.... because by letting GO of the obsession & belief that blots out any other belief or feelings or experience, I am my SELF.

TRUTH, for me, is that feelings come and go... ALL feelings. None of them are permanent.
TRUTH, for me, is that I don't need to fear that extreme intensity of invalidation ever again - because I no longer have that same vulnerability. All present day invalidations (yes, they still exist - they are PART of life, interacting with people) pale in comparison.

And FREEDOM is accepting my SELF and beginning to CREATE new patterns & habits in my life - these are required BEFORE letting go the old ones or at least, doing both at the same time.

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Re: Obsession vs Self-Acceptance
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2008, 09:55:25 PM »
Wow... I had to read that twice, Amber.

How do you keep sight of all the lessons....

so they don't slip away?

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Re: Obsession vs Self-Acceptance
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2008, 10:26:10 PM »
If she'd been lucky enough to have a wise person to help her at the time, she probably would've been able to accept the feelings; the experiences; the reality of what happened - and LET IT GO.

OMG Phoenix Rising.  This is precisely my lament since I was a young adult.  It continues to be and it actually gets into me questions about theology.  “Ask and it will be given.”  Really?  If only, if only there had been someone wise and kind who saw something within me worth salvaging – if only.

Letting go = self-acceptance. Seeing my self the way I am - thinking my own thoughts - validating for my SELF, my own feelings.

What led you here?  What steps did you take?  I'm not sure there is such an answer to those questions but I have been watching your progress and you have been moving in this direction steadily.  Can you articulate what you are doing that is clearing the way for these insights to emerge into your consciousness?

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Re: Obsession vs Self-Acceptance
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2008, 09:40:09 AM »
SS: I was hoping I'd hear from you!

Ask and ye shall receive is my method. But, in the case of work with and on myself... I am asking Twiggy - my unconscious self; my inner child - the one who was already older than her years when she had experiences that some people never have. Twiggy is the source of the insights. Twiggy KNOWS. Then, when she brings me a feeling-thought or feeling-idea... I think about it in the context of what is now a complete chronology of my life. Twiggy had to fill in some of the big gaps in that chronology for me, before I had the context. Sort of emotional forensics...

It's taken 3 years so far, of almost constant work with Twiggy - and we're not quite done yet.

Self-Acceptance and learning to let the old obsessions/habits/beliefs/patterns go, involves more work with how/why I self-abuse. And at the moment, I believe it was because I was taught - pushed even - to blame someone else for my feelings. To not be responsible for my own feelings, wants, and who I was/am.

As long as I blamed my mom... she still had her hooks in me; controlling me; devouring my real self... actively keeping me AWAY from (through anger & fear) my REAL SELF. All because the blame tied me to her, emotionally.

The way out is to validate myself (Twiggy), I think. To stop blaming my mom for who I am now... to OWN completely my self-abusive patterns and love them away, as any real parent would. To provide a more positive option to Twiggy, than continued self-abuse. Show her the way. And then, let her decide... let her lead... let her make the changes.... being patient, understanding, and kind - but firm in my intent to help her out of the self-perpetuating cycle of self abuse.

THIS is what I mean by self-acceptance.

When I ask why? I don't let my mind try to come up with answers. If the answers pop in, I use a creative brainstorming technique - put it all down, THEN evaluate it - and if it's just dancing around getting the "heart" of the matter, I wait until Twiggy brings me one of those feeling-thoughts... and I simply listen... letting her WRITE for a while. Then I go back like with the mental static, and evaluate... put it into context and see if it makes sense or if it brings up more questions.
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Re: Obsession vs Self-Acceptance
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2008, 09:46:35 AM »
((((((Amber))))

I wish I could just hug you.... really.

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Re: Obsession vs Self-Acceptance
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2008, 09:48:17 AM »
Maybe we should just have a picnic and everyone meet in 3-D!  :D
You want to host, Lighter? I need a road trip, anyway.... always clears my head to drive.
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Re: Obsession vs Self-Acceptance
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 03:26:31 PM »
This is going to serve as a farewell post - because I've reached the end of this work on obsession and self-acceptance; the end of the puzzle about smoking; and because I had realized how my board participation is keeping me trapped in the obsession.

It's a farewell post - FOR NO OTHER REASON - than that where I am now and my next step, requires me to leave. I'm sure some people will think otherwise about my reason - hey! go for it! - if you can't take this explanation at face-value, that isn't my problem. And there's simply no need to argue about it anymore.

So, here goes.

In the experience of writing the post in Healthy Community about how I think it's unfair that the "rules" are enforced unequally, I discovered something worth sharing with everyone. Recall - I wasn't requesting a thing from Dr. G; no changes; no protection or stepping in to settle anything. All I did was point out that Ami & Lise were abusing others here and that nothing was done to stop this, which I thought was unfair. Well, it is.... if we're expecting Dr G to take sides, play Solomon, and if he has stated that he will intervene when things get "out of hand". I don't think he has stated this explicitly; Sela is right that, "if requested", means we need to ask for what we want. I made no such request, though in retrospect maybe I should have. (But if I had, I wouldn't be writing this, probably... next time.)

Which is exactly my point about obsession & self-acceptance & why it's time for me to leave. It was really easy to fall into an old pattern of hoping someone would come along & rescue me, you know? Anyone with eyes could see... after all. Everyone was in agony. Which was why it was really difficult for me to create that post - and it left me emotionally drained. I was expecting a hero to come along - and out of the goodness of his heart - validate me and my opinion.

Without me asking... well, DUH!

I made that post for myself - to stop hiding behind fear, powerlessness, and silence. That equals a level of new self-acceptance for me. And through reflection on this whole experience, I can see a complimentary realization about validation that breaks my obsession - completely - once and for all. But I need to take one more step from here.

I joined the board last year; June 29th to be exact... and my self-stated reason was to belong somewhere where I could find the reassurance I felt I needed to complete the task I accepted, when my T and I decided to end therapy... to finish healing on my own. Let's substitute the word validation for reassurance, okay? No doubt; I have found plenty & more of warm fuzzies freely given here - validation from many of you: including Ami & Lise, at different times. Ami & I started out being buddies; warmest of friends.

The opposite of validation is what? Well, you know - it's invalidation.

As I grew comfortable here, and my friendship with Ami hit the rocks in the Janet conflict... and I realized there were plenty of other warm, friendly, wise people here... my desire to hang out here grew into having to check in to see how everyone was, before starting my work day... and it became even more obsessive as I tried to help others here, too. Share what I've learned so far. Even so far as essentially walk around the threads with a target on my back to take the slings & arrows being dished out... my old image of being tough; having endured much, much worse...

... my old self who accepted invalidation as the only the validation I received. Losing my SELF - sacrificing my SELF - for my mom & brother, so that we would survive. The comfort that kills...

... and then it finally got through my crazy, frenetic, can't see the forest for the trees head... the same thing that Leah posted:

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What would cause any person to participate on a board where it is pretty certain that their dignity will be disgraced and dishonored and their character debased?


Well, validation for one thing. That almost physical, itchy, restless urge that you "need" something... that feeling of emptiness... of having missed out on something you have a god-given right to........ validation, unconditional love... it goes by many names: mom, for one. And for me, mom = validation only through invalidation of my SELF, my identity as a separate being, with my own thoughts, feelings, etc. And my obsession with finally getting some acknowledgement from her that I am NOT her.

(hmmmm.... that makes Ami's suggestion that I'm seeing my mom in her correct & prescient, doesn't it??? I don't think she quite meant it this way... but I have learned to look for lessons EVERYWHERE...Thanks, Ami)

What I realized, finally, is that the biggest thing we were all denied as children, is the truth that     

              we can validate ourselves; it comes from US - not from other people - not mom, hubby, boss.... not from ANYONE ELSE.

And that as long I wished to be rescued, validated... for being kicked around... as long as I kept silent about not liking it.... as long as I kept expecting for someone other than my SELF to care about my SELF.... I would continue to be obsessed; continue to find validation in invalidation (yeah - I know really well how perverse that is); and wasn't accepting my SELF. I've NEEDED the invalidating validation I've gotten from Lise & Ami; it was what I am used to, after all. My comfort zone.

Validation from others simply isn't what I've been craving; what I need. What I really want is self-validation. The wholeness of my own, complete separate ego identity again...Self-acceptance is the means to that end. AND I NEED NOTHING FROM MY MOM TO HAVE THAT, if I simply validate my self.... accept my SELF.

Self-acceptance was the Healthy Community post yesterday & it's follow up.

Self-acceptance IS validating myself, and ceasing to look anywhere else for it - my friends here, my friends in 3-D, my hubby. Self acceptance is saying invalidation, petty meanness, and outrageous accusations are ALL UNFAIR. Self-Acceptance and self-validation means only looking to myself, for someone to "do something about it". But, it's Dr G's board and he gets to make the rules. The way the rules are got me to this realization - I understand now. It sure seemed like the rules were unfair Wednesday... but I speak out about unfairness all the time and never have I experienced the emotional intensity (and I'm plenty intense) of the complete change in awareness - self-awareness - that has come out of speaking out about it, this time. This time, I broke through the obsession of wanting someone ELSE to do something about it.

I'm guessing a whole bunch of stars lined up together or something... to push me into this new state of being.

So, while I have this treasured realization fresh in my brain - I have to stay away from here. The lure of warm fuzzies makes me blind to the dangers of falling into my old patterns of depending on others for what I need to do for myself. And it's a gift - thank you - that Dr G DIDN'T intervene... because I'd never have come to this particular viewpoint; understanding; self-awareness.

Could be self-deception - if so, it works for me!  :D

I'm keeping my account because I do need distractions at work; but I'm going to practice self-restraint for a while and try out this new self in 3-D. Lots to catch up on around here.
If you want to reach me - PM me.

I'm gonna go see if Mud has room for me, creekside.
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Re: Obsession vs Self-Acceptance
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 03:40:06 PM »
Amber, I get it... every bit of it. Thank you so much... especially for this:

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Well, validation for one thing. That almost physical, itchy, restless urge that you "need" something... that feeling of emptiness...
of having missed out on something you have a god-given right to........ validation, unconditional love... it goes by many names: mom, for one.
And for me, mom = validation only through invalidation of my SELF, my identity as a separate being, with my own thoughts, feelings, etc.
And my obsession with finally getting some acknowledgement from her that I am NOT her.


Yes, individuation. Me, too.

Thanks again, for everything... and very best success to you as you move forward!

With love,
Carolyn

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Re: Obsession vs Self-Acceptance
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 04:55:55 PM »




Dear PR,

We haven't interacted much here.  I have read a great many of your posts, however  and have respected your contribution to the board, especially on the Members Stories board. 

I will be reading and rereading what you've said in your #7 post here.  So much of it reflects in tone or actuality my exact experience in the recovery process.  I won't copy and paste parts of it here, for it is all powerful.   You have written and explained  key aspects of moving from being the captive of an abuser to freedom.  What better legacy to leave  the board and the friends you've made here?   
Thank you very much.

tt




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Re: Obsession vs Self-Acceptance
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 05:11:06 PM »
Amber,

Thank you for all your insights and revelations and the things you shared. It is a huge step - this independence you are craving and the self-validation. This will build you stronger and more ready for those who will try and stomp upon your boundaries in the future. Don't let them!

(((((Amber)))))

Come back soon and update us.

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Re: Obsession vs Self-Acceptance
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 05:11:44 PM »
(hmmmm.... that makes Ami's suggestion that I'm seeing my mom in her correct & prescient, doesn't it??? I don't think she quite meant it this way... but I have learned to look for lessons EVERYWHERE...Thanks, Ami)
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That IS what I meant,Amber. I am glad that our interaction was helpful. It was helpful to me, too.              Ami




 
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Re: Obsession vs Self-Acceptance
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008, 05:35:13 PM »




Hi everyone,

In deference to PhoenixRising and to maintan the quality and integrity of her  thread, I am removing my original post in this slot.  I will repost it on a new thread soon.

Apologies PR.

tt

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Re: Obsession vs Self-Acceptance
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2008, 05:23:29 PM »




Hi PR,

Somewhere along the way, I began to search for the times and circumstances when I really didn't have to do a thing about anything or for anyone.  I realized that a lot of my actions were driven by shame and guilt which was rewarded with resentment, rebellion, and a host of other negative emotions.  And the cycle perpetuated itself.  The programmed way has three stages.  First the guilt and shame (or name your besetting emotion), then doing an action that was driven by  the guilt and shame, (or fill in your besetting emotion) then the ensuing resentment and bitterness about having been sucked once again into the self perpetuating cycle. 
 
It is key to search out the most effective way.
 
My key was to diligently search for, identify, live in and experience self outside the old arena.  It is very empowering, but It takes practice, practice, practice and you have to be diligent about living in the new arena where you look out for your own needs instead of the old masters,  guilt and shame."  At first, you may be able to spend only a few minutes in your new arena, but with practice, those periods will become longer and longer.  At first it will feel like you are alone.  Well, you are.  Before, you had lots of company, shame, guilt, the ones who instilled the shame and guilt in you...lots of bad company!   

Again I say...Great thread and eloquently expressed, PR.

tt


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Re: Obsession vs Self-Acceptance
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2008, 06:25:12 PM »
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I'm gonna go see if Mud has room for me, creekside.

There's plenty of room and it's not my creekside anyway. Only rule posted is 'no snapping turtles allowed'. :D

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Re: Obsession vs Self-Acceptance
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2008, 06:36:32 PM »




Hi PR,

Somewhere along the way, I began to search for the times and circumstances when I really didn't have to do a thing about anything or for anyone.  I realized that a lot of my actions were driven by shame and guilt which was rewarded with resentment, rebellion, and a host of other negative emotions.  And the cycle perpetuated itself.  The programmed way has three stages.  First the guilt and shame (or name your besetting emotion), then doing an action that was driven by  the guilt and shame, (or fill in your besetting emotion) then the ensuing resentment and bitterness about having been sucked once again into the self perpetuating cycle. 
 
It is key to search out the most effective way.
 
My key was to diligently search for, identify, live in and experience self outside the old arena.  It is very empowering, but It takes practice, practice, practice and you have to be diligent about living in the new arena where you look out for your own needs instead of the old masters,  guilt and shame."  At first, you may be able to spend only a few minutes in your new arena, but with practice, those periods will become longer and longer.  At first it will feel like you are alone.  Well, you are.  Before, you had lots of company, shame, guilt, the ones who instilled the shame and guilt in you...lots of bad company!   

Again I say...Great thread and eloquently expressed, PR.

tt



Dear tt,

 I can see this...   and it's wonderful to be physically out of the old arena.

Now to complete the work of stepping fully into a new mental arena... where the light is too bright for those old masters.

Thank you so much.

Love,
Carolyn