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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #645 on: July 28, 2021, 06:47:52 AM »
Good to read such happy moments for you, Lighter.
Hope your bliss was not a stroke event, however.

Sounds like you're in a near-mystical state of delight and
I say, savor it! Hope many more such moments appear.

Especially liked the moment of your connection to yourself
pre-trauma. I understand and need to cultivate THAT authentic
self, too.

When layers of fear of past-repeating or future-frightening
peel away, even for a moment, what goodness and peace.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #646 on: July 28, 2021, 08:13:52 AM »
Lighter, don't try to hang on to these bliss moments either. Just feel them and enjoy them. Engrave them on your memory. They are transient, too. Eventually, those moments start happening more frequently, then closer together. It'll take awhile for that second phase to start.

It's just retraining your brain to recognize new energy.  ;)
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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #647 on: July 29, 2021, 10:36:21 AM »
So true, guys.   

Amazing to be in that space.  I had an amazing day with my girls.  They respond immediately and positively.

DD20 is taking off work to bring her pug to the vet!!!!! She's taken pug maybe twice with me pushing and reminding, mostly just doing it myself, bc I care more.

THIS is HUGE!  This is me knowing she can and will rise and adult.

It's happening with youngest who's editing her bedroom and re painting furniture she'll keep.  She has energy for herself. She'll start looking for a job soon....all this dhut in time isn't good for her.

Yesterday I asked DD20 if she knew what I was thinking.  She looked up, not with dread and desire to escape, but with curiosity and mischief.  Mischief!

I told her I was so proud of her for advocating for herself and pug at work.  She never would consider asking for anything in the year she's been there.  Always covering for others.  THIS was such a huge lesson in a job with so many lessons to teach DD.  Her value as an employee, her strengths, her appreciation for good managers,vwhich means she's learning those skills too. 

As Tupp says... I'm so chuffed!

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #648 on: July 30, 2021, 08:57:37 AM »
All 4 of us were up at 7am this morning. I walked the pug, sans leash and that was lovely.  Nice and cool out. No bugs divebombing my eyes. She listened and didn't bark at anything. If I hadn't walked face first into a spider's web, it would have been perfect.  Overcast. Breezy.  I love that.

Youngest dd wanted to shower,. but wasn't happy about the drain not working properly, so..... it was time to teach that important lesson.
TO THE TOOLBOX! 
One flathead scredriver and a pair of pliars later..... we had a thin wire hanger bent to it's proper form, drain removed with DD doing a proper squat in the tub. Poised for what she'd find, always very funny.......  She pulled out a huge hunk of conditioner  coated hair, hers, pronounced it "something they put in mummy's throats" then struggled to get the screw back in place on the drain after I santizied the situation.  My least favorite part, btw, is reseating that screw.  We did the downstairs drain, then played with the just fed, ready to nap pug who could not be coaxed into puppy pretend.  She had the eyes of a very serious shark and is snoring by my side as I write this.

I have  an errand to run this morning.  Good coffee and gf cookies for the teachers today.  I have DD's yearbook to pick up, and her diploma.  WHEWhooohoohoohoo!  High school is OVER!

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #649 on: July 30, 2021, 03:59:34 PM »
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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #650 on: August 01, 2021, 02:03:26 PM »
How does this tubshroom work, Hops?

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #651 on: August 01, 2021, 04:17:05 PM »
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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #652 on: August 02, 2021, 03:14:00 PM »
I had a nice talk with DD21 today.  She's so calm in spirit and ability to sustain boundaries........ she's not enmeshed at all, at least not with me, though she has people pleasing tendencies out in the world, I've noticed. She also laughs when she's under stress... a lot. So does DD 19.

I talked about my neeeeeed to gain everyone's approval and how that's something I'm putting down, purposefully.  How it's impacted y life in the past, and how letting it go improves everything.  How I struggle with it. She understood that.

I talked about how the properties we have are investments and I have strengths and weaknesses..... I could use her strengths and DD19's too, while they figure out what the'll do.  Maybe put their heads together, find online university classes to get rquirements out of the way.  Maybe test of out some and feel good about that, but continue moving forward, which she felt made sense. 

Everything we talked about made sense to her and that's important to collaborative me; )

I'm trying to feel less overwhelmed by the lake renovation.  It comes and goes.  More going, less coming would be good.

Yup yup yup.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #653 on: August 03, 2021, 03:54:47 PM »
Another lesson..... similar to the lesson of resting without making deals with myself.

This is THAT, but witih more spaciousness and possibility available.

Just noticing the unconscious limits and questioning them, without judgment, changed the view. Expanded choices.

The girls are fine with pulling up roots for a while and traveling. Going. Living in other places for a while.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #654 on: August 04, 2021, 04:31:53 PM »
I wasn;t sure where to put this, but decided here was as good a place as any.

I slept many many hours while putting all stories on the shelf.  Just...... letting them go, over and over and over again, as they came up.

I realize it's a way of life.... to go from one distraction to another and not just the BIG obvious distractions. The thrumming of daily habits running beneath whatever habit we typically agree is addiction in one's life....
cigs/vaping
coffee
alcohol
relationships
gambling
sex
drugs
reading the paper in the morning

Just the habits wer'e aware of choosing, typically not good for us and therefore on our radar.

It's the ones running in the background...... the way we SEE ourselves, our responsibilities, our standing in community, what keeps us safe, what makes us feel unsafe....... how we relieve the tension and fear behind the scenes..... unconsciously I'm talking about.

Maybe everyone's done this.... speaking to you Amber, but I haven't.  If I had to put words to this experience it feels like....
bobbing in the water..... treading easily, bc bouancy and water temp same as body temp.

Flying above the water...... struggling to stay above the water, out of the water, but not managing.... flailing and fighting and struggling, worrying is living in the future.  It's cold out of the water.  It's windy.  It's exhausting.

Struggling to get to the surface, buried beneath the water is living in the past.  There's no breathing under the water.  It's a struggle to, but a different struggle... struggle none the less.

Bobbing at the surface, once once gets there, is easier..... there's joy in breathing and being comfortable and at ease. 

I call it being in the zone.  I've called it different things, but that;s wat it is, IME.

A subtle shift...... it comes and goes.  If I mourne it, get confused by it's absense....I'm stuck.

If it comes and goes, without my understanding it, I'm happy then confused and sad/in mourning/struggling again then happy and on it goes.

I've been floating, more or less, consistently for a while.  Part of floating is getting all the crap OUT OF MY HEAD as it needs to come out without editing or silencing parts and pieces. Once they're out...they're no longer waiting, tapping, neeeeeeding to be heard and processed, bc I just go ahead and do it without wondering if I'm right or wrong, good or bad, nice or mean, wise or immature, spelling correctly checking grammar I just write it out and have it.

I've also stopped worrying about taking up the Amazon's time with what I write and I've stopped apologizing, which is new.  I didn't realize it till Hops apologized for writing out M stuff on the board and processing the way she needed to... you need to, Hops.

Connections are made as I read other struggles on the board. Hear the same lessons come round again after years passing.  I hear them again, with new context and something clicks, or doesn't.  It's a process and I'm making peace with it.

It's easier to make peace with it when it stops being complete mystery, I'll say that. 

Like reading a book every couple of years and marking meaningful pages with different colored markers each time.  I always find something new or something makes sense that didn't or connect dots I didn't realize were there and that's OK.

There's no one pushing me to understand everything perfectly,but myself. 

There's no requirement I learn anything in a certain time frame.... only self imposed pressure and that's shifting.

It's shifting, bc I'm paying attention to the thrumming of thoughts in the background. Questioning what I usually do to feel "normal" and OK. 

If I dropped it all today.... every bit of it.... what would that mean?

Now THAT's the question.   

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #655 on: August 06, 2021, 11:32:47 AM »
It's lovely to float above the things I usually get stuck thinking about.  The things I usually DO to carry myself trough a day.

Hearing....
drop all judgment...
be super kind yourself.....
assume curiosity.....
drop expectation....
those mean nothing until you realize......

these are the things eventually REPLACING all the thing we do without realizing we're doing them, IME.

These are important, not just bc they're healthy, but bc their presense represents the absense of "normal" patterns and habits.

Practicing these things, cosistently, is where the change happens. 

I don't think I was capable of understanding what they are/why they are until  I shut up and put them into action in starts and stuttering stops..... one thing done well, another dropped, something else coming and going when I wasn't paying attention.

And then they all started coming into focus..... they became familiar..... part of my habits and that's when I understood there's no making sense and understanding until these things take up residence inside us.

I'm doing this imperfectly and I know some people move through these things more quickly. That's OK.  I feel gratitude and joy I can SEE more today than I could see yesterday.

I have expanded perspective, more spaciousness and for that I'm hopeful and encouraged about what comes next.

Not just curious, but terrible positive and joyful about the journey unfolding.

It's not about achieving a goal or getting somewhere in particular anymore. 

There's nothing outside me required to complete me or reach a driving goal.

The goal is to continue returning to myself, over and over, as I move trough plans and missions....... I manage it pretty consistntly now.  I feel as though I'm always with me, if that makes sense.  Everything is moving at the right pace and it's OK.

I feel as though I could die tomorrow and I've done everything I would to be OK with that.  No regrets.

One thing coming up recently, before brother got Covid, was to get to know him better than I do. To attune with him and understand better.... to be understood.  That would be a regret, I realize now.  I was SO happy over getting along with him so mch better, but that's not enough, I realize. 

I want to be friends, not just ON the same team, working together.

I want his kids to answer texts and phone calls from me, which they sort of do not.

It feels like they've been poisoned against us, and I know they have from a very young age.... their mother did a job on them. 

It wouild be good to have relaxed and considerate relationships.  I'll always be there for them, but I feel they're...... I feel there's something there that reminds me of my Paternal grandparents choosing my brother and turning against me and my sister...t hinking of us as my mother's children.... not their son's children.  Splitting people in a FOO black and white with parental permission.  Just very insidious undercurrents and explicit demands made by a mother...... so selfish and unkind when these kids honestly don't have any other family, besides us. 

It's more poisoning, I realize. 

My niece and nephew are smart and strong as hell...... they can figure it out if anyone can.

I believe they will. 

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #656 on: August 09, 2021, 09:26:41 AM »
I'm moving through my days listening to Micheal Singer's 5 episode Podcast on Sounds True forum. 

I've only listened to the first two, twice, but it's presenting information I've heard before DIFFERENTLY, which is how I make connections more quickly/deeply/internalize them, IME.

On my walk with baby girl pug I noticed I've been fretting a bit about DOING all this work on my father's home now that he's gone.  Now that the caretaker is gone. Now that the house has ended for them and begun for us. 

And it comes up again and again.  I notice I have this little conversation with myself about how Dad would have made it miserable for me to DO tthis.  Then I remember how he treated me when I worked on this house....... he accused me of adding money to the costs of the things I purchased cheap at the Mart, while paying what at the time was really expensive parking out of my pocket myself.  I bought tile and killed my transmission hauling it to the lake, and Dad offered to pay for it, but I said it wasn't the tile and handled it myself. 

When it was time to sell his home closer to the city, I pulled out the old carpet and painted and cleaned and had a HUGE garage sale where I would make people take two extra boxes of stuff IF they wanted THAT box of stuff, then I'd stuff things in their trunk while they packed the box they wanted......... moved and I shaked and I found the buyer, set the closing, tried to get Dad to finance the sale for 30 years, but he acted like I was trying to steal his money and he insisted it be a 15 year mortgage, which turned out to be somewhat devastating for him, bc of the botched surgery situation (I tried to save him from, but.....) BUT  BUT  BUT.....

And that's how time at the lake could go, can go, has gone..... and I don't want to do it anymore. 

Dad put money on other people's orders for a living...he designed and produced POP items, walked them through and delivered them, got paid and so he expected everyone to DO that, even though it wasn't what I did TO him.

He also was a part of the HE-MAN Woman HATER'S CLUB.He HATED our mother and that marriage began with him making fun of her parents till she cried.... SO MUCH FUN.  Once she stopped crying, it wasn't fun anymore.  I can't imagine being married to that, but she could.  She did.  And when Dad looked at my sister and me..... HE SAW MOM.  Words like slut, shit and out cattin around came out of his mouth when he looked at us.  You look like a slut....... like shit..... like you've been out cattin around.  Bleck, but that was life with Dad. 

I remember my brother asking Dad how many houses have you bought for women?  He did this on the tail of Dad stating something non sensical about men having to hand houses over to women, presumably during divorces, but Dad didn't have to hand our Mother ANYTHING when she left.  It was written into the agreement she'd get 5K..... I think, when the house sold.  I had the house on the market and it was going to be sold, but Mom had forgotten about what, for her at that time, was nothing money.  During the divorce it was EVERYTHING money and I bet Dad swore he'd never ever ever sell it, and meant it. 

She would have left with nothing, but us.  She took almost nothing in child support.... 80.00 per child and then the lumping sister and I into WOMEN who TAKE from men stuff began.  We didn't get any help from my Brother and Dad regarding Paternal Grandfather putting his hands on every woman who didn't have her elbows in a defensive position to fend him off.  My sister and I used to keep our coats on to deal with it, then not get back in the grab zone again.

So, selling the in town house....... I did the work to improve it, then listed it and acted as realtor to collect a realtor's fee listed as an independent contractor's fee at the closing, which I attended and Dad did not. 

I was very hurt when he refused finance it for 30 years.... it was good money... I think over 5%, maybe 7%.  Just nuts.

Anyway..... I'm working on this house now. Touching the things I purchased 25 years ago, moving and shaking, same as I am today and these things keep coming up for me.  And I have conversations with Dad and myself, which I've figured out, but the Brother piece...


THAT piece is something I don't want to push aside.  I want to do what I can, THEN put it on the shelf.  What can I do?

Dad was marked and bent by ASPD woman hating uncles, being short and married to a beauty queen knock out with big blue eyes.... then a knock out brunnette with big brown eyes and I swear, tormenting them was fun.  He called it "figuring out what made them tick"  but he liked to poke them emotionally and watch them react.  Make fun of his gf's youngest child, a beloved son, then stand back and watch her react.  Take back the engagement ring and watch her react.  Just... dreadful and I blocked a lot of it, bc..... trauma.  Not happy.  Just blocked it.  Once I walked in on Dad wrapping a phone cord around gf's throat (they dated for 18years) and he stopped what he was doing, walked over to me, turned me to face the door and pushed me out.  I remember driving away, head buzzing, completely freaked out..... not sure if I was angrier at the violence or the liklihood they've have hot sex after the fight....... just..... what the absolute hell? I believe his reason was gf had been having sex with someone else and he'd been spying on her, there was ONEhouse between their homes, mind you... and she'd been stupid enough to have sex in front of a window he could see into WHILE engaged to him and he'd caught her and needed to wrap the cord around her throat..... you get the picture. Completely dysfunctional, entitled, erratic, violent, gross innapropriateuglyrelationship with his BEST FRIEND'S WIFE and Dad was all about INTEGRITY!!  You have nothing if you have no integrity!!!!  He'd pound his fist on the dinner table and make you jump out of your skin... while having sex with his best friend's wife, but then....

brunettes run a little hotter.

Mom was blonde. 

Just, so messed up and my brother is 3 years younger and living with Dad. What did he see and hear?

THIS is what I want to think about.  Not the other stuff.  Not the WHY of why I didn't want to renovate his homes while he was INSIDE them.  I knew why. If he stopped to think about it, esp while drinking, he'd remember why too.

But little brother..... who collapsed into Dad's arms when he was..... 9yo? When he chose to live with Dad and not Mom..... was struggling in school and Mom was struggling to make rent and buy food..... and behave like a teenager, to boot.  These were Saturday Night Fever days..... Mom loved to dance.  She loved to go out.  She loved to be loved and she turned every head when she walked into a room..... I think Brother was already with Dad when my sister lit the kitchen on fire at that first apartment..... a grease fire, I think.  Pretty much we were on our own...... and that wasnt how we were raised, so it was pretty bad.... and I can't imagine what little chap brother went through, but it was bad, bc... collapsing in Dad's arms. Not compassionate arms. Nope nope nope and I wonder how brother is marked by his experiences. 

He's marked, I know that.  He tends to always be on the phone with someone.  Sometimes, if no one else answered first, I have to assume, bc I'm not a favorite person of his, nope nope nope.  And I listen.... every time..... almost, bc I recognize he doesn't want to be in his head, alone.  I never really thouight much about it, till now, bc I want to get to know him better.  NOT bc I want to fix him..... just uderstand and attune to.

Iv'e walked the pug and had a good breakfast, which was shoving roasted chicken and raw spinach into my mouth, chewing then swalowing it down.... forcing it, really, to keep my hormones bouncing along this amazing direction.  I really do have energy and creativity firing off and it's really..... great.  I'm loving BEING me again. 

DD19 is melting down, has been for a few days.  She's blaming me and DD21.... accusing us of ganging up on her.... saying I have a new favorite child.  DD 21 used to claim DD20 was the favorite and punished/tormented me for years.  Youngest's turn, but I'm trying to rise above it.  Not ride her air currents, but creaate my own, up above them.  Hold compassion for her while she creates them.

Both girls refused to speak to the Trauma Informed T I found through my T.  I just let them say NO, even though they were each asking for herr, bc only one family member can see a T.  It's odd, but I've done what I can and that has to be enough for now.

I think the contractor will be here today and I'm very happy about that. 

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #657 on: August 09, 2021, 09:42:06 AM »
The generational trauma inflicted by men. That's a LOT, Lighter. Grandfather, father, uncle...and poor brother.

I hope your new connection with your brother can be nontoxic for you, and healing for you both.

I wonder how much of it all is expressed through demo? Refinishing?

If that creative, management and/or entrepreneurial energy wasn't expressed through real estate, what would your second-choice direction be, do you think?
(Nothing wrong with real estate, just a fun question to ask.)

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« Reply #658 on: August 09, 2021, 02:57:57 PM »
It feels very healthy to communicate with brother now.  I feel like I can talk about the relationship, honestly since he talked about how he was sublimating feelings about mom onto sister and me.  He's smart enough to see it and we'll work it out.  I feel very hopeful about it: )

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #659 on: August 11, 2021, 01:12:20 PM »
I'm taking a Reiki class beginning Friday.  Will last 21 days.  Looking forward to it.


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